iv got my gear - final cycle advice please?

sitries · 22-12-2005, 03:44 PM

ok - iv got my gear. im going to do a 10 or 12 week cycle of test enanthate at 500mg per week (two shots). nice and simple. i have got a 5000IU kit of HCG aswel to keep the old boys from shrinking too much! basically i just need some advice on when to take what, and some clarification on my PCT - in which i have bought 3 boxes of nolva.

Q1. what days should i take my jabs? I was thinking mondays and thursdays?
Q2. When and how often and at what dosage should i take the HCG? I was thinking sunday and wednesday at 250IU?
Q3. How long should my PCT be and at what dosages of nolva should i take. i think i may be wrong but i was thinking of 6weeks of PCT starting at 60mg day 1, 40mg day 2- 10, 30mg day 10-20, 20mg day 20-30 , and then 10mg ED day until the end.

Any help will be much appreciated as i want to write out a timetable so i have everything in order. Im about to go and get my 1st jab now so im well excited!

reef · 22-12-2005, 08:13 PM

Hi mate,

1ml each on Monday and Thursday is ideal. You may also wish to frontload in Week 1 if you are not using an oral (e.g Dbol) which would mean 500mg (2ml) on both Monday and thursday in Week 1 only.

HCG should be run at 500iu EOD along with 20mg of nolva in case of estrogen rebound. It should be stopped a week before PCT begins at the latest.

The standard PCT with Nolva for the cycle you describe is:

60mg Day 1
40mg Day 2-11
20mg Day 12-21.

This is started 14 days after your last test enth jab.

In brief:

Weeks 1-12 250mg Mon/Thurs (500mg on week 1 mon/thurs if frontloading)
Weeks 9-11 HCG 500iu EOD (if required)

Weeks 14-17 PCT as above.

Hope this helps.

SoulCard · 22-12-2005, 08:34 PM

I agree for the most part...the days of the week are fine...but i've never heard of front loading with that type of test...i dont think there would be a point since it is a long ester and either way its gonna take 3-4 weeks to kick in...run your pct for at least 21 days, but keep it up until you have fully recovered, a month if necessary...good luck and enjoy man...

sitries · 22-12-2005, 10:03 PM

cheers 4 the advice guys. 1 query.

Weeks 9-11 HCG 500iu EOD (if required)

i thought that hcg should be run from week 1 all through the cycle? iv never heard of it being used every other day? i thought it was meant to be used every 4 days from week 1 to 11? whats every1s views on this?

reef · 22-12-2005, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sitries

cheers 4 the advice guys. 1 query.

Weeks 9-11 HCG 500iu EOD (if required)

i thought that hcg should be run from week 1 all through the cycle? iv never heard of it being used every other day? i thought it was meant to be used every 4 days from week 1 to 11? whats every1s views on this?

It can be run throughout the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, but 250iu every 4 days wouldnt really have much affect (500-1000iu is normally used). Theres also the risk with constant use of downregulating of the receptors in the testes making it less effective. The idea of running just before PCT is to get your balls back to normal as when on PCT you'll then recover much quicker. Balls the size of peanuts wont make much natural test and you'll be shut down for longer!

sitries · 23-12-2005, 12:25 PM

ok - fair play. i think il do 500iu every 5 days or something. i did my research from the sticky Swales hcg advic and thst says to use it at between 250-500IU every 4 days right from the start til near the end.

Stu21Ldn · 23-12-2005, 01:16 PM

i wouldnt use HCG until you actually need it.

Nick500 · 23-12-2005, 01:46 PM

how comes stu?

expensive but better safe than not?

Nick

Caz84 · 23-12-2005, 02:51 PM

IMHO it would be much better to avoid testicular atrophy than have to deal with it later, so if you can afford to run it throughout you should do so. And if you decide to, its always best to shoot smaller quantities more often. I personally wouldnt go above 500ius at anyone time as to not risk desensitization. And 500ius every four days will work fine (I myself prefer 250ius everyday, and take vitamin e to increase its effectiveness). And if your still worried about desenstization, you could take 10mg nolvadex everyday seeing as though your not taking an anti-aromatase as well.

Caz84 · 23-12-2005, 02:59 PM

Also Sitries, doubling your dosages of test enanthate in the first week will get your blood plasma levels stable much faster, so frontloading is applicable to this type of test.

And then just run pct until you feel that youve sufficiently recovered, im sure everyone's time frame is different.

Good luck mate! I hope to start mine soon too.

22-12-2005, 03:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	iv got my gear - final cycle advice please? ok - iv got my gear. im going to do a 10 or 12 week cycle of test enanthate at 500mg per week (two shots). nice and simple. i have got a 5000IU kit of HCG aswel to keep the old boys from shrinking too much! basically i just need some advice on when to take what, and some clarification on my PCT - in which i have bought 3 boxes of nolva. Q1. what days should i take my jabs? I was thinking mondays and thursdays? Q2. When and how often and at what dosage should i take the HCG? I was thinking sunday and wednesday at 250IU? Q3. How long should my PCT be and at what dosages of nolva should i take. i think i may be wrong but i was thinking of 6weeks of PCT starting at 60mg day 1, 40mg day 2- 10, 30mg day 10-20, 20mg day 20-30 , and then 10mg ED day until the end. Any help will be much appreciated as i want to write out a timetable so i have everything in order. Im about to go and get my 1st jab now so im well excited!

22-12-2005, 08:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	I agree for the most part...the days of the week are fine...but i've never heard of front loading with that type of test...i dont think there would be a point since it is a long ester and either way its gonna take 3-4 weeks to kick in...run your pct for at least 21 days, but keep it up until you have fully recovered, a month if necessary...good luck and enjoy man... ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

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22-12-2005, 08:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
reef Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 95 Rep Power:	Hi mate, 1ml each on Monday and Thursday is ideal. You may also wish to frontload in Week 1 if you are not using an oral (e.g Dbol) which would mean 500mg (2ml) on both Monday and thursday in Week 1 only. HCG should be run at 500iu EOD along with 20mg of nolva in case of estrogen rebound. It should be stopped a week before PCT begins at the latest. The standard PCT with Nolva for the cycle you describe is: 60mg Day 1 40mg Day 2-11 20mg Day 12-21. This is started 14 days after your last test enth jab. In brief: Weeks 1-12 250mg Mon/Thurs (500mg on week 1 mon/thurs if frontloading) Weeks 9-11 HCG 500iu EOD (if required) Weeks 14-17 PCT as above. Hope this helps.

22-12-2005, 10:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	cheers 4 the advice guys. 1 query. Weeks 9-11 HCG 500iu EOD (if required) i thought that hcg should be run from week 1 all through the cycle? iv never heard of it being used every other day? i thought it was meant to be used every 4 days from week 1 to 11? whats every1s views on this?

23-12-2005, 12:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	ok - fair play. i think il do 500iu every 5 days or something. i did my research from the sticky Swales hcg advic and thst says to use it at between 250-500IU every 4 days right from the start til near the end.

23-12-2005, 01:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	i wouldnt use HCG until you actually need it.

23-12-2005, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Caz84 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 45 Rep Power:	IMHO it would be much better to avoid testicular atrophy than have to deal with it later, so if you can afford to run it throughout you should do so. And if you decide to, its always best to shoot smaller quantities more often. I personally wouldnt go above 500ius at anyone time as to not risk desensitization. And 500ius every four days will work fine (I myself prefer 250ius everyday, and take vitamin e to increase its effectiveness). And if your still worried about desenstization, you could take 10mg nolvadex everyday seeing as though your not taking an anti-aromatase as well.

23-12-2005, 02:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Caz84 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 45 Rep Power:	Also Sitries, doubling your dosages of test enanthate in the first week will get your blood plasma levels stable much faster, so frontloading is applicable to this type of test. And then just run pct until you feel that youve sufficiently recovered, im sure everyone's time frame is different. Good luck mate! I hope to start mine soon too.