the best steroids to use if worries about hairloss are .....

sitries · 16-12-2005, 07:46 PM

http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html

found this website. it answers many of the questions i have asked numerous times on this site.

im about to start a 500mg test en and deca cycle but have been shitting myself about losing my hair due to the test being so androgenic and prone to convert to DHT. iv decided to definately use proscar - finasteride in order to minimise the DHT conversion. finally my mind is at rest and i can pack on some size!!!!

sitries · 16-12-2005, 07:48 PM

****! Just re read over this and it doesnt look like it will be a good idea using the finasteride with deca!!! nitemare! i thought all my problems had been solved!

FierceFrets · 17-12-2005, 04:35 PM

hello mate. Easy solution - drop the deca!

Youll do fine on the test! Im chucking in some dbol for 5 or 6 weeks for the fun of it!

:twisted: Fierce

sitries · 17-12-2005, 04:47 PM

i want to include the deca though to maximise gains. i want to pull all the stops out! the information in the link above is a load of bolox i think anyway. got sum info off stu21 london which contradicts the commonly misunderstood link between deca and finasteride being incompatible.

Originally Posted by einstein1905
"I heard you can't use finasteride with deca"
Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month.

First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

Finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

FAT BOY · 22-12-2005, 02:50 PM

I think its all down to your genes m8. <not your denims either>
my god look at dorian yates jay cutler lee preist even arnold fuk me how much hair can one man have.
and how many drugs do you think these guys have dun
i think if your going to lose it you are thats that

reef · 22-12-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiilam perkins

I think its all down to your genes m8. <not your denims either>
my god look at dorian yates jay cutler lee preist even arnold fuk me how much hair can one man have.
and how many drugs do you think these guys have dun
i think if your going to lose it you are thats that

Indeed, most steroids will accelerate the process of MPB if you are prone. Only milder gear like anavar/primo/tbol arent too harsh on the hairline (i.e very weak androgens).

If you're worried about hairloss, test/deca/dbol is about the worst cycle I can think of. The only way I can think of making it even worse is by adding winny at the end.

FAT BOY · 22-12-2005, 10:35 PM

your gonna lose more hair worrying about it

devilsquest · 22-12-2005, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiilam perkins

your gonna lose more hair worrying about it

pmsl,,,,least i ant got no worries on what gear to use as i ant got no hair lol

FAT BOY · 22-12-2005, 10:56 PM

plus theres sum great hats out there

sitries · 22-12-2005, 11:07 PM

If you're worried about hairloss, test/deca/dbol is about the worst cycle I can think of. The only way I can think of making it even worse is by adding winny at the end.

LOL - im just doing test for 12 weeks now - i think that will be sufficient for my 1st cycle. did 1st jab 2day! bring on the MASS! im using finasteride witht the test so hairloss shouldnt be a problem! i hope!

16-12-2005, 07:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	the best steroids to use if worries about hairloss are ..... http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html found this website. it answers many of the questions i have asked numerous times on this site. im about to start a 500mg test en and deca cycle but have been shitting myself about losing my hair due to the test being so androgenic and prone to convert to DHT. iv decided to definately use proscar - finasteride in order to minimise the DHT conversion. finally my mind is at rest and i can pack on some size!!!!

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16-12-2005, 07:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	****! Just re read over this and it doesnt look like it will be a good idea using the finasteride with deca!!! nitemare! i thought all my problems had been solved!

17-12-2005, 04:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
FierceFrets Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 702 Rep Power:	hello mate. Easy solution - drop the deca! Youll do fine on the test! Im chucking in some dbol for 5 or 6 weeks for the fun of it! :twisted: Fierce

17-12-2005, 04:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	i want to include the deca though to maximise gains. i want to pull all the stops out! the information in the link above is a load of bolox i think anyway. got sum info off stu21 london which contradicts the commonly misunderstood link between deca and finasteride being incompatible. Originally Posted by einstein1905 "I heard you can't use finasteride with deca" Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month. First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts. However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed. Finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition. Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too. The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation. To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent. This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

22-12-2005, 02:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
FAT BOY Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 921 Rep Power:	I think its all down to your genes m8. <not your denims either> my god look at dorian yates jay cutler lee preist even arnold fuk me how much hair can one man have. and how many drugs do you think these guys have dun i think if your going to lose it you are thats that

22-12-2005, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
FAT BOY Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 921 Rep Power:	your gonna lose more hair worrying about it

22-12-2005, 10:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
FAT BOY Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 921 Rep Power:	plus theres sum great hats out there

22-12-2005, 11:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	If you're worried about hairloss, test/deca/dbol is about the worst cycle I can think of. The only way I can think of making it even worse is by adding winny at the end. LOL - im just doing test for 12 weeks now - i think that will be sufficient for my 1st cycle. did 1st jab 2day! bring on the MASS! im using finasteride witht the test so hairloss shouldnt be a problem! i hope!