New Cycle. Rapid strength + muscle gain. Please review.

evangelionpunk · 18-10-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay123

IMHO do not run any cycle less than 10-12 weeks...so i would say use whichever test you want for that long with the tren...i would recommend prop over suspension just because of the injection frequency and half life issue...and yes you can add clen mid cycle for a couple weeks and then for another 2 weeks at the beginning of pct to help you keep your calories high...and yes, some prop can hurt depending on the BA content in it, but no pain no gain man!

very very true.

well i cant find the prop but can get the susp.

Suspension is obviously the best and according to feedback I should be able to bulk up about 15-20Lbs in 8 weeks of that alone (hard training+ lots of eating ~4500-5000calories per day).

The problem though is daily injections of a 100ml which means its also obviously a lot more expensive since almost all the tests are around $70 for a 10ml amp but the suspension will only last you 10 days unless you only inject every other day or 50ml each day.

insane · 18-10-2005, 10:06 AM

trenbolone has a high receptor afinity so it is stacked very well with dianabol anadroll-50 or winstrol tabs or even deca.I do not think that injectable test will make the difference to your mass.Excellent post cycle lean mass retention!!I would prefer dianabol though in a quick pyramid scaling..My opinion!

insane · 18-10-2005, 10:08 AM

and give tren 2 weeks more ishould suggest!watch out your kidneys as well.

evangelionpunk · 19-10-2005, 09:42 AM

K been reading some more and am worried about the combined Androgenic effects of TREN + TEST .

Especially HAIR LOSS.

ANYONE RUN A STACK LIKE THIS? FEEDBACKS ?

Maybe I should change test for deca though according to my readings and research TREN+TEST is probably the best Retainable MASS GAINER.

insane · 21-10-2005, 10:32 AM

If you have a hair loss historic in tour family do not try it.Deca is a wise choice or EQ.

**Bodyworks** · 21-10-2005, 03:05 PM

you think you're gunna put on 25lbs of muscle mass. i love this forum, you guys crack me up. so in a couple of years you'll be mr britain then.

evangelionpunk · 22-10-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bodyworks

you think you're gunna put on 25lbs of muscle mass. i love this forum, you guys crack me up. so in a couple of years you'll be mr britain then.

yeah and whats so funny?

my test alone cycle for 8 weeks prolly left me with about 10kg more muscles. my tren only cycle left me with around 8kg more but god damn the strength was through the roof and i retained most of it.

Together these two have given many users around 5-30lbs of solid mass and a drop in BF %.

The only thing i have to watch out is that even though i've gotten mad strong my joints, ligaments etc still need time to improve unlike the muscles on tren

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**Bodyworks** · 22-10-2005, 10:38 AM

in that case i'll see ya at the britain in 2007 then.

Nick500 · 22-10-2005, 11:23 AM

In dorian yates' DVD he talks about how in the last 10 years (from when the DVD was made) he has managed to pack on 'an incredible' 45 lbs. in 10 years !

and no doubt hes on all the juices you could think of at this time.

Gotta be a bit realistic, your probably looking at 6 - 12 lbs true lean gain from a cycle, that are kept fully after.

Nick

evangelionpunk · 22-10-2005, 12:13 PM

well im not saying that i can keep everything or that you can keep growing but if your genetic limit allows for more all the merrier.

Even when you come of the tren you still can keep a lot of the strength gains if you train right, rest, take measures such as creatine etc and eat right (and hope your genetic makeup allows it).

Generally i find that i can pack on muscle quite quickly even naturally but why work your ass off when juice can speed it up.

Also dont get me wrong. Not interested in being mr hulk or br britain etc

22-10-2005, 11:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	In dorian yates' DVD he talks about how in the last 10 years (from when the DVD was made) he has managed to pack on 'an incredible' 45 lbs. in 10 years ! and no doubt hes on all the juices you could think of at this time. Gotta be a bit realistic, your probably looking at 6 - 12 lbs true lean gain from a cycle, that are kept fully after. Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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18-10-2005, 10:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
insane Banned Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 20 Rep Power:	trenbolone has a high receptor afinity so it is stacked very well with dianabol anadroll-50 or winstrol tabs or even deca.I do not think that injectable test will make the difference to your mass.Excellent post cycle lean mass retention!!I would prefer dianabol though in a quick pyramid scaling..My opinion!

18-10-2005, 10:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
insane Banned Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 20 Rep Power:	and give tren 2 weeks more ishould suggest!watch out your kidneys as well.

19-10-2005, 09:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
evangelionpunk Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 91 Rep Power:	K been reading some more and am worried about the combined Androgenic effects of TREN + TEST . Especially HAIR LOSS. ANYONE RUN A STACK LIKE THIS? FEEDBACKS ? Maybe I should change test for deca though according to my readings and research TREN+TEST is probably the best Retainable MASS GAINER.

21-10-2005, 10:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
insane Banned Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 20 Rep Power:	If you have a hair loss historic in tour family do not try it.Deca is a wise choice or EQ.

21-10-2005, 03:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 985 Rep Power:	you think you're gunna put on 25lbs of muscle mass. i love this forum, you guys crack me up. so in a couple of years you'll be mr britain then.

22-10-2005, 10:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 985 Rep Power:	in that case i'll see ya at the britain in 2007 then.

22-10-2005, 12:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
evangelionpunk Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 91 Rep Power:	well im not saying that i can keep everything or that you can keep growing but if your genetic limit allows for more all the merrier. Even when you come of the tren you still can keep a lot of the strength gains if you train right, rest, take measures such as creatine etc and eat right (and hope your genetic makeup allows it). Generally i find that i can pack on muscle quite quickly even naturally but why work your ass off when juice can speed it up. Also dont get me wrong. Not interested in being mr hulk or br britain etc