Bread & Butter 1st Cycle...

LM6000 · 09-10-2005, 08:10 PM

Hi Guys,

After doing a lot of research and with the advice of you guys here I've, with some help from our friends at Ampsntabs.com, put together a basic 1st cycle :

Weeks 1-10 test cyp @ 400mg per week
Weeks 1-4 DBol @ 30mg per day
Weeks 1-10 0.25mg Arimidex per day
Nolva on hand incase of titties...

Weeks 12-16 Straight nolva PCT (40mg PD / 20mg PD)

Now, I know this is going to be a bulker but I've added the Arimidex to help control the bloat somewhat and will probably be running the nolva pretty much throughout (I got puffy nips on 1200mg PD of 4AD....).

Would running Masteron at weeks 8-10 be beneficial in anyway, esp. in leaning a bit of the swole out or would it be a waste of time and cash?

Diet, training, rest etc is all taken care of.

khany · 09-10-2005, 08:20 PM

looks a good well thought out cycle there mate and one which i often run when bulking up , never used cyp iv always opted for enanthate

tbh you could use the masteron or even cheaper go with winny to finish off the cycle but i would go with it from week 8 to 12

LM6000 · 09-10-2005, 08:41 PM

Cheers Dude,

Yeah, I was thinking winny but a bit concerned still with the side effects of running two orals in such a short space of time - this is only a 10 weeker, so I'd be off the Dbol @ end of week 4 and starting winny @ week 6...so only 2 weeks to rest the liver.

TBGB · 09-10-2005, 10:37 PM

Injectable Winny?

LM6000 · 10-10-2005, 08:32 AM

Hello Mate,

Injectable winny is still 17AA, so no benefit there Bud, probably more a pain in the ass (pun intended) with the ED shots.
: )

khany · 10-10-2005, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM6000

Cheers Dude,

Yeah, I was thinking winny but a bit concerned still with the side effects of running two orals in such a short space of time - this is only a 10 weeker, so I'd be off the Dbol @ end of week 4 and starting winny @ week 6...so only 2 weeks to rest the liver.

yep that true im forgeting that everyone dont hammer orals like i do lol my liver is made out of stone thou

in that case 100mg prop eod instead of the winny would go well

TBGB · 10-10-2005, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM6000

Hello Mate,

Injectable winny is still 17AA, so no benefit there Bud, probably more a pain in the ass (pun intended) with the ED shots.
: )

Yes, you're right. My bad. Winny, injected or oral, is registered as 17AA. I shouldn't suggest something I've not used.

LM6000 · 11-10-2005, 07:33 AM

Thanks for the input Lads : )

T@Z · 11-10-2005, 10:00 AM

your PCT therapy doesn't start until week 13...so, week 1-4 dbol, week 9-12 winny. Winny has a very short half-life, so you can start the day after with the PCT. Then you get a 4 week rest......Use milkthistle in between, since it effects the steroids work if you use it with orals. Plus it helps you detoxicate your body faster.
I would go for test enth instead of test cyp, since it has less binding molecules to the ester and therefore has more working juice... (7 vs 8 bindings, not a big difference, but thought you should know

)
Don't use armidrex from the beginning...start using it when you get in trouble, otherwise you'll be depending on armidrex for the rest of your cycling time...I've got a study on that, and will translate it shortly if I find the time.
Don't use the nolva until you get in trouble...it posesses certain receptors the steroids use as well. So it'll decrease your gains.
Add proviron from week 6-10, then the dbol boost is gone, and you'll increase your (SHBG).

just my 2cc's

LM6000 · 12-10-2005, 07:46 AM

Cheers T@Z,

A lot of info. there written in a language I understand!

The enan. vs cyp. debate, yeah I can see what you're saying there Bud, but it all came down to a special offer on cyp. at the time (yeah I know, I'm a tight a$$!)
I did have a look around for the differences between the two, and came up with exactly the same results as you have but in the real world at 400mg a week didn't think it'd make much difference...this is where I am now proved wrong!

I'd be interested in reading the arimidex article if you get time to post it Mate, although I'd planned on running it for the 10 weeks anyway and would have just enough to complete through PCT too if needed.

09-10-2005, 08:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Bread & Butter 1st Cycle... Hi Guys, After doing a lot of research and with the advice of you guys here I've, with some help from our friends at Ampsntabs.com, put together a basic 1st cycle : Weeks 1-10 test cyp @ 400mg per week Weeks 1-4 DBol @ 30mg per day Weeks 1-10 0.25mg Arimidex per day Nolva on hand incase of titties... Weeks 12-16 Straight nolva PCT (40mg PD / 20mg PD) Now, I know this is going to be a bulker but I've added the Arimidex to help control the bloat somewhat and will probably be running the nolva pretty much throughout (I got puffy nips on 1200mg PD of 4AD....). Would running Masteron at weeks 8-10 be beneficial in anyway, esp. in leaning a bit of the swole out or would it be a waste of time and cash? Diet, training, rest etc is all taken care of.

09-10-2005, 08:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
khany Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 90 Rep Power:	looks a good well thought out cycle there mate and one which i often run when bulking up , never used cyp iv always opted for enanthate tbh you could use the masteron or even cheaper go with winny to finish off the cycle but i would go with it from week 8 to 12 ______________________ Co Owner @ www.undergroundmuscle.co.uk superMOD@ TDS ProvenVIP@ theVIPboard VIP@ SSB VIP@ SRM VET@ MDF

11-10-2005, 10:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
T@Z Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 63 Rep Power:	your PCT therapy doesn't start until week 13...so, week 1-4 dbol, week 9-12 winny. Winny has a very short half-life, so you can start the day after with the PCT. Then you get a 4 week rest......Use milkthistle in between, since it effects the steroids work if you use it with orals. Plus it helps you detoxicate your body faster. I would go for test enth instead of test cyp, since it has less binding molecules to the ester and therefore has more working juice... (7 vs 8 bindings, not a big difference, but thought you should know ) Don't use armidrex from the beginning...start using it when you get in trouble, otherwise you'll be depending on armidrex for the rest of your cycling time...I've got a study on that, and will translate it shortly if I find the time. Don't use the nolva until you get in trouble...it posesses certain receptors the steroids use as well. So it'll decrease your gains. Add proviron from week 6-10, then the dbol boost is gone, and you'll increase your (SHBG). just my 2cc's ______________________ No Pain, No Gain

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09-10-2005, 08:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Cheers Dude, Yeah, I was thinking winny but a bit concerned still with the side effects of running two orals in such a short space of time - this is only a 10 weeker, so I'd be off the Dbol @ end of week 4 and starting winny @ week 6...so only 2 weeks to rest the liver.

09-10-2005, 10:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
TBGB Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 73 Rep Power:	Injectable Winny?

10-10-2005, 08:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Hello Mate, Injectable winny is still 17AA, so no benefit there Bud, probably more a pain in the ass (pun intended) with the ED shots. : )

11-10-2005, 07:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Thanks for the input Lads : )

12-10-2005, 07:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Cheers T@Z, A lot of info. there written in a language I understand! The enan. vs cyp. debate, yeah I can see what you're saying there Bud, but it all came down to a special offer on cyp. at the time (yeah I know, I'm a tight a$$!) I did have a look around for the differences between the two, and came up with exactly the same results as you have but in the real world at 400mg a week didn't think it'd make much difference...this is where I am now proved wrong! I'd be interested in reading the arimidex article if you get time to post it Mate, although I'd planned on running it for the 10 weeks anyway and would have just enough to complete through PCT too if needed.