Bread & Butter 1st Cycle...

T@Z · 12-10-2005, 05:48 PM

I've translated the key issues..
Anti-e's (so not Clomid and Nolva, but armidrex, femara and proviron (which is a weaker product then the others)) are used for mostly the following reasons: acne, fluidretention, increased bloodpressure. But besides working those sides they do more things, but most people don't know. For example:
Anti-e's produce more receptors for estrogen.
Anti-e's suppresse (not correct English is it

) the test-levels even more then the cycle already does (so your recovery takes longer as well).
Due to the above facts, there's been an upregultation in your body which is difficult to change.
My opinion is: why should I take the mentioned risks, if these sides are only temporary and you can influence them a lot. For example fluids--> eat clean food...Acne--> increase vitamine b12 intake. Higher bloodpressure is common during the first few days after jabbing, because the body is trying to protect itself --> when body works harder, bloodpressure goes up..If the high bloodpressure continues you're probably drinking too little water.

I hope you get my point, but these are the reasons I'm against anti-e's to start with, without trouble and only take Nolva when getting in trouble (=gyno), the other sides are temporary and besides all that...It is yet again another product you take.
I am in favour of Proviron though, this increases the unbound test and isn't really an anti-e because it's a lot weaker then the others and therefor has less impact.

Hope this'll help mate.

sitries · 12-10-2005, 08:45 PM

no hcg recommended in the sycle to keep ur bolux from srinking too much whislt on he cycle?

Stu21Ldn · 12-10-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM6000

Hi Guys,

Weeks 1-10 test cyp @ 400mg per week
Weeks 1-4 DBol @ 30mg per day
Weeks 1-10 0.25mg Arimidex per day
Nolva on hand incase of titties...

Weeks 12-16 Straight nolva PCT (40mg PD / 20mg PD)

That is spot on mate no need to over complicate things

T@Z · 12-10-2005, 09:11 PM

@Sitries: your balls will shrink with every cycle, because it kills the body's own production. There are peeps that use it throughout every cycle (@500iu a week, not more or you'll destroy the lleydigcells), and some never use it. I just keep track, when I think they're shrinking too much I give them a boost, but so far I didn't need it (I'm only on my first cycle btw).

redspy · 12-10-2005, 09:20 PM

Looks like a good first cycle. Save the Masteron for the future. I'd also suggest some HCG prior to PCT.

LM6000 · 13-10-2005, 07:30 AM

Cheers Boys,

Stu - Yeah, want to keep things simple for my first cycle, see how I react to just a couple of compounds before chucking in a load!

Redspy - Thanks, I'll see how I get on with this cycle then maybe do a masteron/equipoise/low test cycle in a years time or so...even with that my arse is gonna look like a dartboard! : )

lupus1 · 18-10-2005, 05:32 AM

Anyone else having problems with our "friends" at ampsntabs.com? Delays up the ying yang. Gone Bad????

LM6000 · 19-10-2005, 04:41 PM

Hi Lupus,

No, I don't think they've gone bad. They have posted that they are not taking anymore orders currently due to high demand/low stock levels. Hopefully this'll be sorted soon.

lupus1 · 19-10-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LM6000

Hi Lupus,

No, I don't think they've gone bad. They have posted that they are not taking anymore orders currently due to high demand/low stock levels. Hopefully this'll be sorted soon.

You are absolutely right. They are getting things straightened out. No need for concern.

12-10-2005, 05:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
T@Z Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 63 Rep Power:	I've translated the key issues.. Anti-e's (so not Clomid and Nolva, but armidrex, femara and proviron (which is a weaker product then the others)) are used for mostly the following reasons: acne, fluidretention, increased bloodpressure. But besides working those sides they do more things, but most people don't know. For example: Anti-e's produce more receptors for estrogen. Anti-e's suppresse (not correct English is it ) the test-levels even more then the cycle already does (so your recovery takes longer as well). Due to the above facts, there's been an upregultation in your body which is difficult to change. My opinion is: why should I take the mentioned risks, if these sides are only temporary and you can influence them a lot. For example fluids--> eat clean food...Acne--> increase vitamine b12 intake. Higher bloodpressure is common during the first few days after jabbing, because the body is trying to protect itself --> when body works harder, bloodpressure goes up..If the high bloodpressure continues you're probably drinking too little water. I hope you get my point, but these are the reasons I'm against anti-e's to start with, without trouble and only take Nolva when getting in trouble (=gyno), the other sides are temporary and besides all that...It is yet again another product you take. I am in favour of Proviron though, this increases the unbound test and isn't really an anti-e because it's a lot weaker then the others and therefor has less impact. Hope this'll help mate. ______________________ No Pain, No Gain

12-10-2005, 09:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
T@Z Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 63 Rep Power:	@Sitries: your balls will shrink with every cycle, because it kills the body's own production. There are peeps that use it throughout every cycle (@500iu a week, not more or you'll destroy the lleydigcells), and some never use it. I just keep track, when I think they're shrinking too much I give them a boost, but so far I didn't need it (I'm only on my first cycle btw). ______________________ No Pain, No Gain

12-10-2005, 09:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
redspy Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Way Out West Posts: 578 Rep Power:	Looks like a good first cycle. Save the Masteron for the future. I'd also suggest some HCG prior to PCT. ______________________ IronArena.com

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12-10-2005, 08:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power:	no hcg recommended in the sycle to keep ur bolux from srinking too much whislt on he cycle?

13-10-2005, 07:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Cheers Boys, Stu - Yeah, want to keep things simple for my first cycle, see how I react to just a couple of compounds before chucking in a load! Redspy - Thanks, I'll see how I get on with this cycle then maybe do a masteron/equipoise/low test cycle in a years time or so...even with that my arse is gonna look like a dartboard! : )

18-10-2005, 05:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
lupus1 Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power:	Anyone else having problems with our "friends" at ampsntabs.com? Delays up the ying yang. Gone Bad????

19-10-2005, 04:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
LM6000 Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 270 Rep Power:	Hi Lupus, No, I don't think they've gone bad. They have posted that they are not taking anymore orders currently due to high demand/low stock levels. Hopefully this'll be sorted soon.