Lets discuss Thermogenics in depth. What works and how well?

evangelionpunk

I've been researching thermogenics (OTC standard supplement ones) and read research papers and stats on the things and found that the most effective ones were the ones with a synergistic mixtures of Epherine+caffeine.

However the total loss caused was only about 2%-5% increase daily tops if that. My conclusion was a little bit less eating and a little bit more physical activity and you could get a lot more than that.


So lets see...... Is there something that would say cause you to burn off an extra 10-25%+ more calories each day?(arguments sake typical noob question)

Nick500

I have used:

pure ephedra powder manually stacked with caffein and asprin - (awesome but too many sides because its so pure and potent)

EPH25+ - Really good, huge boost to training, noticeable increase in sweating

Dymatize Ignite - Caffein anhydrous thermogenic. Made me sweat a little but compared to either of the above, nothing.


Although there is correctly as you say 2 - 5% increase in the metabolic rate, the other effects of ephedrine amplify its effectiveness.

You 'feel' like you aren't working as hard as you actually are. This means that you could sustain say 60 minutes of cardio at 160HR BPM when normally you might only achieve 20.

So although your HR isn't actually that much higher over the whole day (2 - 5%), the amount that it allows you to push yourself whilst training means that really you burn off in the region of 10 - 15% more calories during cardio (if you perservere) and the oncoming day due to the elevated HR levels.

It is also an appettite suppresant so will stop your carb cravings.

Back to your original point, something in the region of 10% metabolic boost would be clenbuterol (plenty of posts about this), but technically i believe its not a thermogenic, it works in a different way.

I think that the strongest actual thermogenic compound is the ridiculously dangerous 'DNP', which is basically a poison put into your blood which causes 25 - 50% metabolic boost but is only for people with experience and the guts of gandalf the grey. lol

Nick

evangelionpunk

Good post nick500.


So whats the strongest Body fat loser that you know of?

Obviously the most highly effective thermogenic is DNP.

evangelionpunk

By the way reading more its suggested that DNP burns more like 50%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


People are getting results like 7 days 8-10lbs fat loss!!!!


How much could u lose with Clen+T3? 10%?20%?

Everything has dangers though eg T3 usage could cause your own thyroid to stop working.

Nick500

sure the results from clen and t3 could be in the 10% - 20% range but it could be argued that with super strict cardio and diet regimes you could lose 3lbs - 4lbs fat /week with an ECA, perhaps 2 - 3lbs without.

On clen and T3 you can't train such high intensity cardio so although it does more for you idle you could potentially overcome their maximums with mad cardio training.

please correct me if i'm wrong any1

Nick

evangelionpunk

DNP is really interesting.


30% loss at idle let alone any exercise what so ever

Nick500

At a huge cost to your health and potential death...

nick

Stu21Ldn

it really shouldnt be used by anyone other than pro bodybuilders, no one else has any reason to risk it. Plus its pretty hard to find some legit DNP powder these days.

crazycal1

whats DNP?

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

Stu21Ldn

its an agricultural pesticide