Are all steroids as dangerous as each other,

sitries · 07-10-2005, 07:36 PM

read the article. deca looks like a good steroid for low androgenic sides such as MPB and its also good for joints - however it also says that its very supressive to natural test production - hence deca ****. so what are the reasons a GP would want to prescribe it to every1 - most notablly older males!? surely they would need a boost in test levels, not an inhiibitor? was the GP simply refring to the positive effects it has on joints.

ps sorry if i missed something in the article - some of it was quiet complex.

Stu21Ldn · 07-10-2005, 08:00 PM

Deca **** does not directly result from the supression of natural testosterone, its is more to do with the progestenic / prolactin activity cause by deca. If you use a low dose then this isnt really a problem.

The good points about deca -

It has a positive effect on joints.
It is not liver toxic
It aromatises to estrogen, which helps to maintain healthy lipid profiles

It has low androgenic and high anabolic properties, generally speaking deca is one of the safest steroids.

I would say equipose is also pretty a "safe" steroid, slightly more androgenic than deca but then it does not have the progestenic activity. Like deca its is easy on the joints and it also increases your appetite. The gains come slowly but are generally easy to maintain.

Primo would be another one which is generally regarded as "safe"

sitries · 07-10-2005, 09:51 PM

so would deca be ok to use alone in a low dosage? i only want a low dose cycle and am very worried about MPB - so deca seems like it would be a good cycle for me. the only thing putting me off it was all the stuff i hear about deca **** etc.

i think my cycle would be 250mg deca per wk and 20mg of dinabol for the first 4 wks. would that be an ok cycle for moderate safe gains - bearing in mind my paranoia about hairloss. i would als be using proscar/finepecia to minimise DHT conversion.

what do u think stu

Also could anavar replace the dbol - as i hear that is also less androgenic?

help is much appreciated. als stu - how do u know so much about roids having only doen the 1 cycle urself. lots of reearch? Im v impressed by ur knowledge.

Stu21Ldn · 08-10-2005, 12:32 PM

personally deca/dbol wouldnt be me first choice of cycle. But if i was to run it i would do six weeks 200mg deca per week and 30mg dbol ED with 25mg proviron. This is the old "classic stack".

If i was gonna do a cycle without test. I would personally prefer to do 400mg of EQ for 12-16 weeks. I know a few guys that use this cycle. With eq you dont stack alot of weight on at once because estrogen conversion is very low. The gains are nice and gradual and the sides are low. pretty useful for me, i dont wana show up for a meeting at work with bad acne and hamster cheeks lol.

SoulCard · 08-10-2005, 04:46 PM

WHY IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF TEST? IMHO it is by far the safest steroid and has less harmful sides...acne can be controlled by washing well and using topical cleansers...hair loss can be a side of dbol, but usuall only in high and prolonged usage...

Stu21Ldn · 08-10-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay123

WHY IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF TEST? IMHO it is by far the safest steroid and has less harmful sides...acne can be controlled by washing well and using topical cleansers...hair loss can be a side of dbol, but usuall only in high and prolonged usage...

well all steroids are safe if used correctly, i think the point of this thread was to try and gauge which steroids have the least sides. Which tends to be the ones which are mostly andbolic and not so androgenic.

evangelionpunk · 08-10-2005, 06:09 PM

No.

Some are more dangerous based on toxicity and sides than others.

Although eg TEST + DBOL might be a good stack you may have sides of losing hair etc.

But i believe you need to research your choices and be prepared for the sides by having what you need and being safe and sensible in your doses and administration by not exceeding the safety limits etc.

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07-10-2005, 07:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	read the article. deca looks like a good steroid for low androgenic sides such as MPB and its also good for joints - however it also says that its very supressive to natural test production - hence deca ****. so what are the reasons a GP would want to prescribe it to every1 - most notablly older males!? surely they would need a boost in test levels, not an inhiibitor? was the GP simply refring to the positive effects it has on joints. ps sorry if i missed something in the article - some of it was quiet complex.

07-10-2005, 08:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	Deca **** does not directly result from the supression of natural testosterone, its is more to do with the progestenic / prolactin activity cause by deca. If you use a low dose then this isnt really a problem. The good points about deca - It has a positive effect on joints. It is not liver toxic It aromatises to estrogen, which helps to maintain healthy lipid profiles It has low androgenic and high anabolic properties, generally speaking deca is one of the safest steroids. I would say equipose is also pretty a "safe" steroid, slightly more androgenic than deca but then it does not have the progestenic activity. Like deca its is easy on the joints and it also increases your appetite. The gains come slowly but are generally easy to maintain. Primo would be another one which is generally regarded as "safe"

07-10-2005, 09:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
sitries Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 637 Rep Power:	so would deca be ok to use alone in a low dosage? i only want a low dose cycle and am very worried about MPB - so deca seems like it would be a good cycle for me. the only thing putting me off it was all the stuff i hear about deca **** etc. i think my cycle would be 250mg deca per wk and 20mg of dinabol for the first 4 wks. would that be an ok cycle for moderate safe gains - bearing in mind my paranoia about hairloss. i would als be using proscar/finepecia to minimise DHT conversion. what do u think stu Also could anavar replace the dbol - as i hear that is also less androgenic? help is much appreciated. als stu - how do u know so much about roids having only doen the 1 cycle urself. lots of reearch? Im v impressed by ur knowledge.

08-10-2005, 12:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	personally deca/dbol wouldnt be me first choice of cycle. But if i was to run it i would do six weeks 200mg deca per week and 30mg dbol ED with 25mg proviron. This is the old "classic stack". If i was gonna do a cycle without test. I would personally prefer to do 400mg of EQ for 12-16 weeks. I know a few guys that use this cycle. With eq you dont stack alot of weight on at once because estrogen conversion is very low. The gains are nice and gradual and the sides are low. pretty useful for me, i dont wana show up for a meeting at work with bad acne and hamster cheeks lol.

08-10-2005, 06:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
evangelionpunk Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 91 Rep Power:	No. Some are more dangerous based on toxicity and sides than others. Although eg TEST + DBOL might be a good stack you may have sides of losing hair etc. But i believe you need to research your choices and be prepared for the sides by having what you need and being safe and sensible in your doses and administration by not exceeding the safety limits etc.