Very First Cycle

liquidnitro

Hey guys im back, now i thought long and hard, i decided to drop the oral only cycle and go with an injectable. Check this out and tell me what you think:
Test enan. pyramid up to 300 then down again for 8 weeks, now i know i should go for no less than 10weeks on test but its my 1st one and i dont want to push it at all. x2 injections a week.

week:
1.100mg
2.150mg
3.200mg
4.300mg
5.300mg
6.200mg
7.150mg
8.100mg

I`ll be at 3500-4000cal, something like this:
NO in the morning+before training.
1. 8egg whites, 4full eggs + oatmeal and coffee
2.Mass Gain
3.noodles/Brown rice and tuna/chicken + salad
TRAIN
4.protein
5.Mass gain
6.noodles/Brown rice and tuna/chicken + fruit
7.Protien
8. Mass Gain before bed if needed.

i just have a few questions;
1.what pct should i haveand how much?
2.what antioestrogens should i take during the cycleand how much?
3.Any additional supps i should take that would maximise my gains?

Thanx for your helps guys.

liquidnitro

also what pins should i use im a bit on the heavy side.

Stu21Ldn

ok that cycle is better but not perfect, if you want to do a low dose test cycle go with 250mg every week for 8 weeks. 250mg is pretty much the minimum you can do in order to see reasonable gains. There is no point pyramiding the dose.

Infact it is a waste of gear shooting 100mg in a week, all that will do is replace the same amount of testosterone that your body produces with synthetic testosterone. In other words there won't be any postive effect.

so your cycle would look like this

week1: - 250mg
week2: - 250mg
week3: - 250mg
week4: - 250mg
week5: - 250mg
week6: - 250mg
week7: - 250mg
week8: - 250mg
week9: - nothing
week10: - nothing
week11: - pct
week12: - pct
week13: - pct
week14: - pct

Blood levels of testosterone

Day num \ test in blood
1 26 mg
2 23 mg
3 21 mg
4 18 mg
5 16 mg
6 15 mg
7 13 mg
8 37 mg
9 33 mg
10 30 mg
11 26 mg
12 24 mg
13 21 mg
14 19 mg
15 43 mg
16 38 mg
17 34 mg
18 30 mg
19 27 mg
20 24 mg
21 21 mg
22 45 mg
23 40 mg
24 36 mg
25 32 mg
26 28 mg
27 25 mg
28 22 mg
29 46 mg
30 41 mg
31 36 mg
32 32 mg
33 29 mg
34 26 mg
35 23 mg
36 46 mg
37 41 mg
38 37 mg
39 33 mg
40 29 mg
41 26 mg
42 23 mg
43 47 mg
44 41 mg
45 37 mg
46 33 mg
47 29 mg
48 26 mg
49 23 mg
50 47 mg
51 42 mg
52 37 mg
53 33 mg
54 29 mg
55 26 mg
56 23 mg

Above you can see how much testosterone you will have in your blood each day if you inject 250mg / week

The highest you get is 47mg which is about 2-3 times what the body would normally produce.

Notice you should start pct two weeks after you last shot of testosterone.

The above cycle is only valid for testosterone enanthate, the values change for different types.

liquidnitro

excellent mate excellent thank you so so much, but can you also tell me what pct i should be using? and if i should have any anti-oestrogens during? any supplements i need to take?

Nick500

milk thistle is a must

+ saw palmetto, hawthorn berry, coq10, cod liver oil/EPA oils, multivitamins recommended.

PCT (correct me if i'm wrong Stu21Ldn) should be:
day 1: 60mg nolva
days 2 - 14: 40 mg nolva
days 15 - 28: 20 mg nolva

+ something like reboundXT from designer supplements to boost natural test production

or even HCG

Its also important to make sure you keep up the food and rest well during PCT.

Nick

Caz84

Just to clarify, you should not take hcg post cycle. Hcg is to keep the lh receptors sensitised during a cycle, and then serms (clomid and nolvadex) should be taken post cycle to raise lh levels.

SoulCard

milk thistle is not needed...this is used when using an oral steroid to promote liver health....IMHO i would use the test e @ 250mg twice per week to get 500 mg /week...250 will shut still shut you down, but i dont feel will really be enough to see good results...run 10-20 mg nolva ed during cycle then clomid 300mg day one, 100 mg day 2-11 and 50 mg day 11-21....nolva 20mg ed for 21 days pct...use 25ga 1.5" pins on a 3mil syringe for injections...

Stu21Ldn

you probably wont need any anti estrogen on cycle, just keep some nolva handy if you get gyno symptons (highly unlikely).

you need two different set of pins which i would buy from:
http://www.medisave.co.uk/needles-sy...c-137_385.html

you need the greens (21g) for drawing
you need the blues (23g) for shooting

as mentioned above you'll need 3ml syringes as well

keep it simple, do a glute shot 1ml once per week

Some reading for you:

http://forums.cjb.net/juiceduk-about72.html

pictures -> www.spotinjections.com

Caz84

I would suggest using arimidex though instead of nolvadex throughout a cycle if you are worried about estrogen related side effects, as nolvadex causes a reduction in growth hormone thus reducing gains. So imho its not really worth incorporating nolvadex at such low doses. Arimidex will be far more effective.

PCT is fine tho.

SoulCard

it is far easier to draw with the 21s...i just draw and shoot with 25s...simpler that way...btw, i also woulnt pryamid that...oh, and rotate your gluets, monday 250mg right glute, thursday, 250mg left glute, monday, 250mg right quad, thurdsay, 250mg, left quad...etc...rotating injection sites will decrease your liklihood of scar tissue building up...armidex IMO is usually used for more serious or signifiant gyno issues...at 10-20 of nolva a day, you really wont notice any inhibitions of gains...but again, that is why we both said IMO! 8) 8)