Cycle Advice Please

T-Unit · 22-09-2005, 12:32 PM

Hi all, Looking into doing my first proper cycle (I have used PH and M1T in the past) Been training for about 4 years consitantly 32 y/o 200lb. Can you take a look at the following and offer your comments please. The only thing I can see is that the doses may be too high for a first cycle but i'm testing opinion.
Thanks in advance!

weeks 1-10:
Testosterone Enanthate - 500 mg Deca - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

weeks 11-15

Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

SoulCard · 22-09-2005, 03:39 PM

looks like a decent first time out!...personally i wouldnt mess with the vit b, but to each thier own...i would, however, add clomid to the last 3 weeks to get your little boys growin again...also make sure your diet is good, you get enough rest, workout hard, etc...

T@Z · 22-09-2005, 10:22 PM

Vitamine B6 can be well used during a cycle for the following reasons:
It strenghtens your immune-system
Better intake of proteines and fats
Lightens sickness
Reduces nerve- and skindisorders
Reduces muscle-tension
Is a natural urine disposer
Helps to prevent cancer.

Excuse my crappy English on the medical terms.

T-Unit · 23-09-2005, 08:38 AM

thanks Jay, how does clomid differ from Nolva, I thought they did pretty much the same thing?

SoulCard · 23-09-2005, 12:24 PM

no...very different...briefly in laymans terms...clomid will restart you natural test production while nolva will keep any gyno symptoms away...there are some who disargee and only use nolva...there is a long sticky in this section on the chemical differences, but i would personally not only use nolva (even at a higher dose) as my only pct compound...IMO people lose their hard earned gains because they dont pay enough attention to proper pct protocols

Stu21Ldn · 23-09-2005, 12:54 PM

I only use nolva, clomid has too many sides for my liking.

SoulCard · 23-09-2005, 01:44 PM

Stu, what sides have you noticed?

Stu21Ldn · 23-09-2005, 02:07 PM

i havent used it, i've seen plenty of studies that nolva raises testosterone production sufficiently, so thats all i use.

As for clomid apart from turning people into crying little girl it can also have serious effects on your eyes

read the following

http://www.conversionboard.com/forum...ead.php?t=2492

these guys know what they are talking about as well

SoulCard · 23-09-2005, 04:18 PM

i have also seen those studies and have heard the eyesight reports...i personally have never had a prob...ok, yes i get a little extra emotional, but its only a couple weeks...to each thier own as long as it works for them and they can keep thier gains! Ill stick with the clomi tho cuz i for me i know it works!

wigz · 24-09-2005, 06:32 PM

that was my first cycle but i used clomid not nolva, i was more than happy with the gains

22-09-2005, 12:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
T-Unit Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 58 Rep Power:	Cycle Advice Please Hi all, Looking into doing my first proper cycle (I have used PH and M1T in the past) Been training for about 4 years consitantly 32 y/o 200lb. Can you take a look at the following and offer your comments please. The only thing I can see is that the doses may be too high for a first cycle but i'm testing opinion. Thanks in advance! weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate - 500 mg Deca - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day weeks 11-15 Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

22-09-2005, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	looks like a decent first time out!...personally i wouldnt mess with the vit b, but to each thier own...i would, however, add clomid to the last 3 weeks to get your little boys growin again...also make sure your diet is good, you get enough rest, workout hard, etc... ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

22-09-2005, 10:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
T@Z Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 63 Rep Power:	Vitamine B6 can be well used during a cycle for the following reasons: It strenghtens your immune-system Better intake of proteines and fats Lightens sickness Reduces nerve- and skindisorders Reduces muscle-tension Is a natural urine disposer Helps to prevent cancer. Excuse my crappy English on the medical terms. ______________________ No Pain, No Gain

23-09-2005, 12:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	no...very different...briefly in laymans terms...clomid will restart you natural test production while nolva will keep any gyno symptoms away...there are some who disargee and only use nolva...there is a long sticky in this section on the chemical differences, but i would personally not only use nolva (even at a higher dose) as my only pct compound...IMO people lose their hard earned gains because they dont pay enough attention to proper pct protocols ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

23-09-2005, 01:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	Stu, what sides have you noticed? ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

23-09-2005, 08:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
T-Unit Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 58 Rep Power:	thanks Jay, how does clomid differ from Nolva, I thought they did pretty much the same thing?

23-09-2005, 12:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	I only use nolva, clomid has too many sides for my liking.

23-09-2005, 02:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	i havent used it, i've seen plenty of studies that nolva raises testosterone production sufficiently, so thats all i use. As for clomid apart from turning people into crying little girl it can also have serious effects on your eyes read the following http://www.conversionboard.com/forum...ead.php?t=2492 these guys know what they are talking about as well

23-09-2005, 04:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
SoulCard Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 819 Rep Power:	i have also seen those studies and have heard the eyesight reports...i personally have never had a prob...ok, yes i get a little extra emotional, but its only a couple weeks...to each thier own as long as it works for them and they can keep thier gains! Ill stick with the clomi tho cuz i for me i know it works! ______________________ Look Here before you ask!... http://www.musclechat.co.uk/search.php Steroid Sticky Here... http://musclechat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4464

24-09-2005, 06:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 426 Rep Power:	that was my first cycle but i used clomid not nolva, i was more than happy with the gains

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