How safe is taking gear or is it commiting suicide?

divie · 11-09-2005, 01:14 PM

Ive done 1 cycle of test enanthate and dbol and im thinking of doing another cycle next year alough im not sure yet but it probably will happen.
Im worried about heart attacks and liver trouble.
Ive done a cycle with little sides (apart from spotty arms) and because ive had no serious sides im a bit set on doing another, but how do we know when enough is enough.
Also im thinking of trying test cypionate this time or would it be safer to stick with the exact same gear i used last time ie enanthate?.

PS gear is expensive and im not the wealtiest bloke on the planet so is test enanthate or cypionate ok on its own for say 8 weeks in terms of gains?.Dbol is cheap but its the bloody milk thisstle you gotta buy aswell thats the killer.

Thanks

Caz84 · 11-09-2005, 03:38 PM

Hey divie,
Test enanthate and cypionate are very chemically similar, and as a result you will probably see very similar results. And to answer your question, both enanthate and cypionate are both suitable for cycling alone; I would suggest at least 500mg a week for no less than ten weeks.

Also, if you want to stack with dianabol, try just taking 25mg a few hours before every workout, rather than the usual 50mg a day, as to avoid any liver trouble.

Hope this helps mate!

bobbyc · 11-09-2005, 08:46 PM

Yeah, orals arent essential. Avoid them and avoid liver trouble. Stick with the test and maybe chuck in some boldenone/nandrolone eventually. These are much safer options than dbol.

Stu21Ldn · 11-09-2005, 09:56 PM

i would not classify deca as safer than dbol, unless you take stupid doses of dbol its not dangerous

garrilla · 12-09-2005, 10:50 AM

i dont see how just useing dbol before working out is gunna do much. if u only train 3 days a week its gunna do nowt.

Comando Tom · 12-09-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by divie

PS gear is expensive and im not the wealtiest bloke on the planet so is test enanthate or cypionate ok on its own for say 8 weeks in terms of gains?.Dbol is cheap but its the bloody milk thisstle you gotta buy aswell thats the killer.

Thanks

I know of a place that does 125grams for 12, that aint expensive. Depending on how much your taking any way. How much do you take on a AS cycle?

Intrested?

vesp · 13-09-2005, 01:37 PM

Hi, to save the worry about your liver with the use of dbols why don't you just front load your test?

dave abbott · 13-09-2005, 03:27 PM

I am fair simular, been taking deca / sust for a couple of months, not noticed any side effects at all apart from getting a little sleepy and moody, but i am usually like that anyway! lol,
Best thing i have used to get rid of the spots is straight in the sauna after a work out for a few mins and then a cold shower, since i have been doing that not noticed any spots at all!

Nick500 · 13-09-2005, 03:27 PM

front load?

Caz84 · 13-09-2005, 04:13 PM

Just to answer garrilla's question, i just meant with the amount of injectables he is taking through the cycle, i dont really see the need for adding orals considering the possible side effects. However, i find the small testosterone boost added by the dianabol taken before a workout gives me a little kick. But you are right, in that if you only workout a few times a week (and i workout 6 during cycle) its probably not worth it.

11-09-2005, 01:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	How safe is taking gear or is it commiting suicide? Ive done 1 cycle of test enanthate and dbol and im thinking of doing another cycle next year alough im not sure yet but it probably will happen. Im worried about heart attacks and liver trouble. Ive done a cycle with little sides (apart from spotty arms) and because ive had no serious sides im a bit set on doing another, but how do we know when enough is enough. Also im thinking of trying test cypionate this time or would it be safer to stick with the exact same gear i used last time ie enanthate?. PS gear is expensive and im not the wealtiest bloke on the planet so is test enanthate or cypionate ok on its own for say 8 weeks in terms of gains?.Dbol is cheap but its the bloody milk thisstle you gotta buy aswell thats the killer. Thanks

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Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	front load? ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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11-09-2005, 03:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Caz84 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 45 Rep Power:	Hey divie, Test enanthate and cypionate are very chemically similar, and as a result you will probably see very similar results. And to answer your question, both enanthate and cypionate are both suitable for cycling alone; I would suggest at least 500mg a week for no less than ten weeks. Also, if you want to stack with dianabol, try just taking 25mg a few hours before every workout, rather than the usual 50mg a day, as to avoid any liver trouble. Hope this helps mate!

11-09-2005, 08:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
bobbyc Under Construction Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2 Rep Power:	Yeah, orals arent essential. Avoid them and avoid liver trouble. Stick with the test and maybe chuck in some boldenone/nandrolone eventually. These are much safer options than dbol.

11-09-2005, 09:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	i would not classify deca as safer than dbol, unless you take stupid doses of dbol its not dangerous

12-09-2005, 10:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
garrilla Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power:	i dont see how just useing dbol before working out is gunna do much. if u only train 3 days a week its gunna do nowt.

13-09-2005, 01:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
vesp Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power:	Hi, to save the worry about your liver with the use of dbols why don't you just front load your test?

13-09-2005, 03:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
dave abbott Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power:	I am fair simular, been taking deca / sust for a couple of months, not noticed any side effects at all apart from getting a little sleepy and moody, but i am usually like that anyway! lol, Best thing i have used to get rid of the spots is straight in the sauna after a work out for a few mins and then a cold shower, since i have been doing that not noticed any spots at all!

13-09-2005, 04:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Caz84 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 45 Rep Power:	Just to answer garrilla's question, i just meant with the amount of injectables he is taking through the cycle, i dont really see the need for adding orals considering the possible side effects. However, i find the small testosterone boost added by the dianabol taken before a workout gives me a little kick. But you are right, in that if you only workout a few times a week (and i workout 6 during cycle) its probably not worth it.