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24-08-2005, 02:44 PM
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| Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Newcastle Posts: 36 Rep Power:  |  looking for advice Hi i'm new here and to streroids and have been doing some research on the net and i'm looking for some advice about my next cycle. i've just finished my first which was 200mg of deca a week for 8 weeks but after reading some of the posts on this site it would seem it was a waste of time so now i'm looking for some help off you more experienced guys about my next one which i'm looking to start in the next 4 weeks to give you an idea up until now i was training 2-3 times per week (just upper body as i used to play a lot of football) and had been for nearly 3 years now, but about 12 months ago i hit what i'd say are my natural limits in both size and strength and cant seem to get any bigger or stronger which i've since found out was due to lack of a proper diet and a proper training routine, so please dont lecture me on that! anyway i've decided to try steroids to help me get the look and results i want when i started the the deca cycle i've just finished i spoke to the gym instructor and told him what i was looking for and what i was going to take and he set me a 12 week routine and advised me on what to eat and when, the routine is 4 nights a week and consists of the following mon - bi's and chest various exercises 4 sets 10 reps tues - legs 5 sets 10 reps thurs - back n rear delts various 4 sets 10 reps fri - shoulders n triceps various 4 sets 10 reps i'm only looking to gain about 10-14lb in mass and increase my strength as much as possible, i've had no gain in size off the deca course i've just finished but i have had a slight increase in strength so for my next cycle i was considering on taking the following which i've based on what i've been readin on various sites on the internet and from various posts on this site and from what other users at the gym have suggested weeks 1-7 2 x 200mg deca 1 mon 1 thurs, 1 x 250mg sus on mon and 20mg dianabol per day week 8 1 x 200mg deca and 125mg sus on the mon then for the PCT week 10 2500iu of hcg week 11 100mg of clomid per day week 12 50mg clomid per day like i say i am a novice and new to this and its something i'm working on so any help and advice would be greatly appreciated thanks guys |
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28-08-2005, 01:20 AM
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| Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power:  | the routine would be better this way.... mon chest tue shoulders and triceps thur legs fri back and biceps all 6-8 reps training to positive failiure as for roids well sustanon is only really effective if injected a minimum of once every 3 days better every other day if poss because it contains propionate which is very short acting and out of your system by day 3. so if your injecting once a week youd be better off with cypionate or enanthate |
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02-09-2005, 10:24 AM
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| Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Newcastle Posts: 36 Rep Power: | cheers garilla have also been advised to only do the dbol for the 1st 4weeks - 6 weeks max due to its high toxicity as for the sus yeah was thinking about doing twice a week but another lad at the gym has just come off a cycle of it and he said it blew his head off! so gonna see how i go the 1st couple of weeks and if its not too bad i'll up it what about my pct i'm worried it might be a little light on the hcg and clomid? |
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04-09-2005, 03:30 PM
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| Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 45 Rep Power: | Well my view is that its better to avoid testicular atrophy than having to correct it at the end of a course, so i would inject 250-500iu of hcg twice weekly throughout your course. Also as your taking sus that has a life of three weeks, do not run hcg more than two weeks after your last shot of sus as the hcg will hinder pct. I would run nolvadex at 20mg a day for 28days after your last shot of sus, and then 21 days after your last shot begin clomid at 300mg on first day, then 100mg ed for 14 days, and finally 50mg ed for 14 days. You could also throw in arimidex throughout your cycle, and this would also help the nolvadex and clomid to work better if takin during pct. Also i read there are other ancillaries to take when taking deca, might be in the profile pages. Hope this helps... I dont like to take chances lol. |
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05-09-2005, 10:26 AM
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| Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power: | just read through your post again mate, deca is only really effective at doses of 400mg a week minimum so instead of useing that and 1 sus a week which while it will work the propionate in it is just wasted why not use one or the other so either 2 sus a week or 2 deca this will be more effective overall. run the dbol for max 6 weeks and start pct 2 weeks after your last jab. yes i know its 3 weeks for deca but its best to keep it simple for newbies to avoid confusion. |
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05-09-2005, 05:35 PM
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| Making Progress Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power:  | I'd do it like this: 1-12 500mg testosterone enanthate(250mg on mon and thurs) 1-10 400mg Deca(200mg mon and thurs) 1-14 HCG 250IU 2x a week Nolva PCT starts week 15 week 1-3 40mg(80mg on day 1) week 4 20mg week 5 10mg(or 20mg EOD) As for the routine, I would do: Chest tris rest legs rest back shoulders bis rest repeat |
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06-09-2005, 09:38 AM
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| Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power: | meathead i thought you'd never used steroids, you wouldnt be telling porkies about it would you ?  i'd say that was to high a dose for a first course, you'll gain well from lower doses and the higher the dose you jump in at the more you need to take in the future. i'd say either....... 2 sus and 1 enanthate per week or 2 deca and 1 enanthate per week or 2 deca/enanthate per week and 20mg dbol a day |
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