effects of the roids

GTForce · 13-08-2005, 12:53 AM

Thanks Nick.

Divie, although you were not lifting all that effectively, you have been lifting for 7 years. That shows commitment and is evidence that bodybuilding is a true passion, not just a passing fancy for you.

I know of a lot of guys who never make much progress until they get their act together regarding diet. Most guys who can't gain or whose gains have stagnated simply do not know how to eat. Food is very anabolic, I would suggest someone start recording what they eat, make adjustments, and see what happens. In almost every case, the guy will start gaining again...without gear.

I wrote that there are 3 types of gear-users that give our sport a bad name...you do not fall into any of those 3 categories. You do not seem like the type to abuse gear, you are not just looking for a quick-fix, and you seem like a level-headed, solid chap.

Also, time of study was based on the habits of someone who is rather busy and only has an hour or two tops per week to learn about gear. If you are able to condense that study time (as you seem to have done) then great.

Again, these are just my opinions. I would add, however, that I have never known anyone say "I wish I did gear earlier" except for inexperienced guys who completely transformed themselves. Inevitably, these same guys become completely depressed when they come off gear because they do not have the natural base of strength, self-confidence, and solid eating habits they gained during their years of natural training (because they didn't train long enough naturally to acquire such).
I have heard ALOT of commited bodybuilders and strength athletes say "I should have waited a little longer".

Personally, I had been lifting 15 years, taken my bodyweight from 128 pounds to a solid 198, and been working as a personal trainer for 5 years before I gave gear a go. I also studied gear for a year and a half before doing it and had been stuck at the same weight for 3 years. I still question if it was the right move. Don't get me wrong...I did like it and I plan on doing another cycle this coming October...but I wonder if I couldn't have made similar gains had I just perservered.

Things to ponder.
Taking hormones is serious business and should never be approached haphazardly.

GTForce

divie · 16-08-2005, 12:36 PM

Agreed gtforce,
all the best m8

TommyT · 16-08-2005, 04:22 PM

some very solid advice given in this thread particularly from GTForce. All opinions agreed. I think one of the most valuable points to come outta this was gear dependancy.

How many people do you know who start gear too young say that have said this will be my only cycle then il be where i wanna be.

Once cycle is finished the dedication to train and eat never being there the sudden gaining stops and gains are perhaps lost in pct.

Person gets very upset and decides to do gear again and barely has the motivation to train unless juicing. At which point he becomes an egotistical prick giving roids a bad name.

Agreed with GT's criteria and happy to say I can quite easily do all of them and as yet am gear free.

Oh and Divie I don't think anyone can question your pasiion pall a suitcase is a hell of alot of paper that must have been a hell of alot of research. Congrats on your gains btw.

TT

crazycal1 · 11-09-2005, 01:55 PM

good post g force 8)_sayin` that i see where you`re coming from divie.

13-08-2005, 12:53 AM	#31 (permalink)
GTForce Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 198 Rep Power:	Thanks Nick. Divie, although you were not lifting all that effectively, you have been lifting for 7 years. That shows commitment and is evidence that bodybuilding is a true passion, not just a passing fancy for you. I know of a lot of guys who never make much progress until they get their act together regarding diet. Most guys who can't gain or whose gains have stagnated simply do not know how to eat. Food is very anabolic, I would suggest someone start recording what they eat, make adjustments, and see what happens. In almost every case, the guy will start gaining again...without gear. I wrote that there are 3 types of gear-users that give our sport a bad name...you do not fall into any of those 3 categories. You do not seem like the type to abuse gear, you are not just looking for a quick-fix, and you seem like a level-headed, solid chap. Also, time of study was based on the habits of someone who is rather busy and only has an hour or two tops per week to learn about gear. If you are able to condense that study time (as you seem to have done) then great. Again, these are just my opinions. I would add, however, that I have never known anyone say "I wish I did gear earlier" except for inexperienced guys who completely transformed themselves. Inevitably, these same guys become completely depressed when they come off gear because they do not have the natural base of strength, self-confidence, and solid eating habits they gained during their years of natural training (because they didn't train long enough naturally to acquire such). I have heard ALOT of commited bodybuilders and strength athletes say "I should have waited a little longer". Personally, I had been lifting 15 years, taken my bodyweight from 128 pounds to a solid 198, and been working as a personal trainer for 5 years before I gave gear a go. I also studied gear for a year and a half before doing it and had been stuck at the same weight for 3 years. I still question if it was the right move. Don't get me wrong...I did like it and I plan on doing another cycle this coming October...but I wonder if I couldn't have made similar gains had I just perservered. Things to ponder. Taking hormones is serious business and should never be approached haphazardly. GTForce ______________________ You don't win friends with salad

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16-08-2005, 12:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	Agreed gtforce, all the best m8

16-08-2005, 04:22 PM	#33 (permalink)
TommyT Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 38 Rep Power:	some very solid advice given in this thread particularly from GTForce. All opinions agreed. I think one of the most valuable points to come outta this was gear dependancy. How many people do you know who start gear too young say that have said this will be my only cycle then il be where i wanna be. Once cycle is finished the dedication to train and eat never being there the sudden gaining stops and gains are perhaps lost in pct. Person gets very upset and decides to do gear again and barely has the motivation to train unless juicing. At which point he becomes an egotistical prick giving roids a bad name. Agreed with GT's criteria and happy to say I can quite easily do all of them and as yet am gear free. Oh and Divie I don't think anyone can question your pasiion pall a suitcase is a hell of alot of paper that must have been a hell of alot of research. Congrats on your gains btw. TT

11-09-2005, 01:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 3,001 Rep Power:	good post g force 8)_sayin` that i see where you`re coming from divie.