effects of the roids

DarkAngel

Bro its up to the individual to make up his own mind and weigh up pros and cons,

This is why research is needed and everyone is responsible for their own actions,

If you feel steroids aint for you then theres a simple answer which is avoid but dont run down others who choose on their own free will to use.

divie

Couldnt agree more opex

GTForce

One factor that is overlooked, and is one of the largest concerns, is psychological addiction. Guys who take shortcuts are often lured into this predicament.

I believe that only "true" bodybuilders and weightlifters have earned the right to experiment with steroids. What classifies one as a "true" bodybuilder? See the list below.

- Lifting AT LEAST 5 years.
- can bench press bodyweight AT LEAST 10 times.
- can perform AT LEAST 10 dead-hang chin-ups.
- can squat bodyweight for AT LEAST 20 deep reps.
- can deadlift AT LEAST twice your bodyweight.
- performs all the above exercises with PERFECT form.
- has increased strength every year during those first 5 years of training.
- eats AT LEAST 5 meals per day.
- can make a fairly accurate guess of carb content, protein conten, and fat content of any meal simply by lookinjg at it.
- consumes 1 gram of protein for every pound of bodyweight per day.

Now, anyone who is a "true bodybuilder/weightlifter" and wants to try gear should meet the following criteria:

- has tried supplements like creatine, NO2, glutamine, protein powder, and given them all a fair go.
- has spent AT LEAST a year researching roids.
- can effectively distinguish between media-generated bullshit and actual facts re:steroid use.
- has talked first-hand with someone who has used them extensively.
- has had a recent medical check-up and been given a clean bill of health.
- knows all about PCT.
- knows the following terms; cc. ml, amp, gauge, aspirate, sterile, half-life, HPTA, LH, and ancillaries.

Basically, if you do not qualify, you have no reason doing gear. Sure, it's your choice, but the less you know the greater the risk. Steroids themselves are not the problem; the skinny-ass pansies who are not willing to do the work and are looking for a shortcut that are the problem.
Bodybuilding is pretty simple : train, eat, rest, repeat for many years. If you cannot commit to that equation DO NOT use steroids. That is where psychological addiction comes in. Guys, who do not even know how to train naturally, start using gear WAY too early. They get some results, but due to their ignorance, lose all their gains afterwards and fall into a deep depression. This leads them to use gear again and again.
I know a guy who doesn't even train when he is clean. Complete loser in my opinion. He gets real big on gear - and thinks everyone is impressed - but the reality is that he is seen as a lazy fool. Natural bodybuilding requires patience and guts. Gear-assisted bodybuilding requires education, maturity, planning, and commitment.

True bodybuilders will easily be able to spot the difference between an athlete who has trained for years and is using gear to enhance his gains and the lazy wanker who only makes gains through gear. Those morons are the guys who give bodybuilding a bad name.

Rant over

Steroids are not inherently dangerous ; steroids in the hands of gutless, impatient, immature bodybuilder-wannabes can be very dangerous.

GTForce

splinter

Very good points there! Well written.

What if you can do most of the above in much less then 5 years, do you qualify then?

GTForce

"most of the above" is a prime example of the shortcut way of thinking.

Now, if you can confidently state that you qualify with "all of the above" criteria, then perhaps you are in a position to safely and effectively use gear.

The above criteria should be met with ease. Any trainer who has a passion for bodybuilding, half a brain, and has been training for 5 years will be able to meet the criteria with ease. ALL of the above, not SOME of the above.

I mean, what is "most"? Is that like your girl saying she is "kinda" pregnant? I mean, you either qualify or you don't.

Again, it is up to the individual, these are simply my opinions.

Cheers, GTForce

9519sam

earn the right?

why cant people just do it if they feel they want to?

redspy

You raise a few good points GT, but bodybuilders are often very distinct from weightlifters. Bodybuilding in the strictest sense is about mass combined with asthetics, symmetry, density, vascularlity, posing ability and proportion. They are often distinct from lifters whose primary objective is moving large poundages. Bodybuilding is essentially feeling good about your appearance. Bodybuilders are more models than athletes in terms of how they are judged.

Some of your criteria are also very strict. As an example "performs all the above exercises with PERFECT form" would rule out Ronnie Coleman. I've seen his DVDs and while his lifting is nothing short of awesome, his form is very poor.

There's a gowing population of people who take steroids to improve their self image. If they do this responsibly I don't have a problem with it. Here in the US it's perfectly acceptable to have plastic surgery (lipo suction, pec implants), but you're deemed a pathetic roid raging criminal if you use AAS.

Ultimately each person must understand the benefits and negative effects of steroids and make up their own mind.

GTForce

As I stated, these are simply my opinions. Everyone has the right to injest or inject whatever they want to. If you do not have the courage, intelligence or personal integrity to achieve a level of development naturally then your work ethic and character are sorely lacking, plain and simple.
If roids will fill that void in you, then knock yourself out.

Again, that is my opinion, and most veteran iron enthusiasts and fans of bodybuilding would agree. Perhaps "earn the right" was not the best choice of words. Everyone has the right to ignore the learned opinion of othersand do whatever they want.

Redspy, you raise a good point. However, any veteran lifter knows about the benefits of "cheat reps" where body english, momentum, and inertia are used to move a load through sticking points. I'm sure Coleman knows proper form and would easily qualify for all the criteria. His present training style is what works best for him and he has been lifting for 25 years. A guy who has been lifting for 6 months and thinks a squat consists of nothing more than a 5 inch curtsy, or bounces bars off his chest while arching his back so much it looks like he wants to **** the ceiling while benching, cannot give any legitimacy to any poundages he claims to handle.

I am not comparing gear to booze, cigs, or recreational drugs. I am not interested in whether or not people choose to get plastic surgery. I am talking about the steroids, bodybuilding, weightlifting...that is the basis of my argument. The bad press around gear comes from 3 sources :

1) experienced guys who overdo it and abuse them.
2) inexperienced guys who use them in a "quick-fix" fashion.
3) guys whose self-esteem is so fragile that once geared-up they act like complete assholes.

I love bodybuilding and I am in no way anti-steroid, but I have zero respect for fellows that fall into the above 3 categories.

Just calling it as I see it

Cheers, GTForce

divie

GT ive been liffting weights for 7 years but ive only made gains in this last year due to all of a sudden deciding to do more reasearch and in turn progress, so id say id been bb correctly for ONLY 1 year.However i can do most of the things you mentioned above apart from i havnt been bb properly for 5 years does this mean i have to weight for another 4 years to consider roids? (thats not sarcastic by the way m8).
Also i feel 1 year learning about roids isnt nesscary as i spent about 3 months only learning, alough it was every night printing out steroid information and reading everything out over and over, ive got a suitcase full of info ranging from how to inject, sides, side preventions, half life, pct etc and my first cycle went fine.In theory then yes wait for your full potential to stop but for me i gained over 2 stone in 6 months natural then it slowed to about lb or 2 a month so i decided to use the juice because of all the rapid gains my mates have had from it.I gained 18lb on it up until now and im still gaining now and my pct starts tomorrow.My point is i personaly dont understand why timescal is an issue, there are only 2 reasons i can think of, 1 you need to know you have the desire to train for a long time and bb isnt just a fase your going through as you want to look good for the beach as summer aproaches as the gains you get will disapear when or if your dedication stops like many and the gains dont outway the sides and dangers if this is the case.

2 in the long term yoo will not get as big as you could of if you start juice too soon.

For me ive been training 7 years alough my diet was shit and i didnt gain in first 6 years my dedication has always been there to train.

Nick500

really impressed with your post GTForce and think your absolutely right.

Its also nice to see that i haven't taken the opportunity to do injectible steroids but i can vouch for every item on the lists (apart from squatting, as i have knee problems and dont squat (!))

You reinforced what i think about people jumping in too soon, and don't think i will consider injectables (a) ever or (b) for a while

Good post, i've donated 5pence ! hehe

Nick