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Old 01-08-2005, 07:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is 56 tabs of nolva enougth for pct for 28 day pct?.

I used a thew nolva tabs early on in my cycle due to suspected gyno, it wasn't gyno it was my imagination bieng over suspisious at this was my first cycle.My point is i have only 56 20mg tabs of nolva left now and if i can i dont want to order another batch, is this pct ill explain below ok.
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Day 1-7, 60mg a day of NOLVA
Day 8-14, 40mg a day
Day 15-21,40mg a day
Day 22-28, 20 mg a day

Also im taking tribulus a decent brand(TRIBESTAN) but when should i start the tribulus, is it ok to start it the following day of my last test enanthate injection? or should i take it 13 days after my last injection the same time ill be starting my nolva.
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Old 01-08-2005, 08:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The nolva schedule looks good.

Tribulus is bascially a bunch of crap so I wouldn't bother buying it. It been proven many times that it doesn't increase LH or test in humans. It has been shown to increase libido in castrated rats, but I don't think you fall into that category

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Old 02-08-2005, 02:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Start the trib the same time as the nolva.

However, I do agree that many people have not seen much from tribulus.
That said, others claim it works. I would play it safe and add some HCG.

The nolva schedule should work out fine.

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I've been training a lot of years and never have i used 60mg of nolvadex in one day. Why do that much ?
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I do that much coz 100% of people i asked do that amount or more bodyworks apart from you so now its 99%.
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Man, i must be out of the loop.

i'll leave it to you guys. i know nowt about this 'gear stuff'.
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The nolvadex is started at 60mg to bring blood levels up quickly. Much in the same way test or sust is frontloaded on week 1 if you are not kickstarting with an oral.
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i see your reasoning but i always looked at it as a subsiduary drug to elevate endogenous test. hcg is far better at that, and tamoxifen when used in conjunction, helped with this process while also keeping estrogen related side effects to minimum. If using nolvadex alone i would be cautious of higher doses as nolvadex is itself an estrogen. too high a dose or too long a schedule and any test elevating effects of nolva are off set by the amount of estrogen you're adding to your body.
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I agree with bodyworks, the only reason I did not question the 60mg is that I thought it was only for one day (much like the dosing schedule many use with clomid i.e. 300mg/day 1, 100mg/days 2 -7, 50mg/days 8 - 21 or longer). I think another course you may want to consider would be 40mg/day for 28 days or even 40mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 20mg/day for 4 weeks. The often forgotten element in PCT is time, some guys take longer to get back to full blast and end their PCT before they're hormones are back to pre-cycle levels. Sometimes more is not always better, sometimes longer is better.

Ultimately, the decision is yours. I would suggest a blood test after your pct to determine if your pct was effective. I do not know if that costs a lot of money in Britain, but in Canada it is free!

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60mg of tamoxifen citrate (the most common form) yields about 45mg of tamoxifen so it's not a big deal to take that dose.

Although the LD50 of tamoxifen hasn't been established doses over 400mg have been taken in clinical settings for short periods without any permanent side effects.

Divie's schedule is perfectly okay IMO.

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