Feedback on this cycle?

JonnyRage

I'd like to get some feedback on this cycle. Please give me your ideas or changes based on the gear listed, because I can't get much else. I've been researching it for a couple weeks now, and based on everything I've read, this is what I've come up with. It may change however, since I don't even have the gear yet. Also, I'd like to make sure I am taking the right nutritional supplements, so any advice on those would be great too. I heard Flax Oil is good for joints and Milk Thistle is good for the liver, right? Anything else? Thanks!

Week 1-5 / Anadrol (50mg a day)
Week 1-12 / Cypionate (600mg a week)
Week 1-12 / Deca Durabolin (300 mg a week)
Week 6-12 / Primobolan (Pyramid tapper. See layout below)
-- Week 6 / Primobolan (100 mg per week)
-- Week 7 / Primobolan (200 mg per week)
-- Week 8-10 / Primobolan (300 mg per week)
-- Week 11 / Primobolan (200 mg per week)
-- Week 12 / Primobolan (100 mg perk week)

Post Cycle Therapy
Week 6-11 / Nolvadex 10mg per day
Week 12-16 / Nolvadex 20mg per day
Week 13-14 / Clomid 100mg per day, Proviron 50mg per day
Week 15-16 / Clomid 100mg, Proviron 50mg, HCG 500 IU eod

This will be the heaviest cycle I've ever done. I am going to train extensively because I am tired of moderate gains. I haven't cycled in 5 years, so I want to hit my receptors hard since they've had so much time off. I really think I can use this opportunity to make the most gains ever. All my previous cycles were with Sustanon and Primobolan at about 10 weeks. Some cycles were only Sustanon, because I had nothing else available. I added Anadrol once, and that was probably my biggest gain. I got to a point where Sustanon just wasn't cutting it anymore. It seemed to do nothing to me, no matter how much I worked out or ate. So no more playing around for me. I want to get BIG!!!

- J.R.

bully7

when are you starting mate.i'm hoping to start next week.as i said i'm doing anadrol/sus & perhaps something else abit later on to help keep gains.so keep me posted.

redspy

Looks pretty solid to me, but I do have some feedback:

- I'd bump the deca to 400mg EW
- I've always thought that Primo was pretty mild and needs higher doses to be effective for bulking cycles (i.e. at least 600mg a week). As it's expensive and fairly mild I'd drop it completely and save it for a cutter
- If you're using nolva there isn't really any need for clomid as they have almost identical actions. Nolva also has less side effects typically.
- As Proviron is suppressive of natural test production I wouldn't use it as part of PCT as it will inhibit your recovery. Proviron is great for building muscle hardness/density, increasing free test levels (by binding with SHBG), and decreasing aromatase (by binding to the aromatase enzyme) - but not PCT.

JonnyRage

Ok, so when would I take the Proviron then? I heard Clomid is good to get normal test levels to raise up, and Nolvadex is just good to prevent gyno. Am I missing something here? So the cycle looks about solid, I just need to adjust the PCT? I don't think I can get more Deca than that. If that was all I could get, how do you think that would work?

redspy

Proviron can be taken throughout the whole cycle, that's how I use it.


Check out this article - Nolva vs. Clomid for Post Cycle Therapy - http://www.basskilleronline.com/nolvadex_vs_clomid.htm

Don't sweat it, you'll make good gains from the cycle. Keep us posted on your progress.

JonnyRage

Thanks Redspy! Wow, it really seems like things have changed in the past 5 years. Back in 1998 when I did my first cycle, I did tons of research, and it all said to use Proviron as Post Cycle Therapy. And everyone I spoke to and read about said to use as much HCG as possible. I always felt like I crashed after a cycle, so now I know their advice was wrong. It makes total sense now too. I wonder if all the information I read back in the day was meant as disinformation to hinder people from using steroids? Well, I'm glad I found this forum, because you guys have really helped me out! So, how much Proviron should I use, and when should I take it?

~J.R.~

redspy

25-50mg (split in two doses) every day is the usual range. A lot of people use proviron throughout their whole cycle, including myself.

JonnyRage

I only have 4 weeks worth of Proviron, because I thought I would be using it for PCT. When would be the best time to take the Proviron then, during my 12 week cycle? I would guess weeks 8-12 to end up with a lot of muscle density?

redspy

Yeah, weeks 8-12 would be good timing.