Sustanon, Deca Durabolin, and Anadrol cycle?

JonnyRage · 05-07-2005, 06:54 AM

I have been out of the steroid scene for going on 5 years now. For the most part I have kept a decent amount of my gains. I jumped from about 150 lbs to 225 lbs (68kg to 102kg) during my roid days. Right now I stick between 200 and 210 lbs (90kg to 95kg). To be honest, since I have been out of it for so long, I can't even remember what would make a good intermediate cycle. I may be a bit rusty, but I am not a beginner by any means. I am looking to do the hardest possible cycle I can because after this, I am out for good. So my question is: Would Sustanon, Deca, and Anadrol make a massive gain cycle? I can get ahold of just about any steroid, so I don't need to stick with those three. I see by your pictures on here, you guys know what you are doing. I've always been self taught with this sort of thing, and since this is going to be my last, I wanted advice from some pro's. All in all, what cycle would be best for huge gains? Thanks guys!

- J.R.

redspy · 05-07-2005, 07:42 PM

Personally I wouldn't bother with the sust, it looks good on paper but in reality it's no better than test cyp or enan. Because of the prop content it should ideally be injected EOD. Deca is a good bulking option assuming you eat tons of food.

There will be tons of differing opinions of this, but I'd do something like this

Week 1-4 Dbol or Drol
Week 1-14 Tren Enathate
Week 1-14 Test Cypionate
Week 1-13 EQ (to help your joints and increase hunger)
Week 1-14 Proviron
Week 4 to PCT - HCG

PCT - Nolvadex

JonnyRage · 07-07-2005, 03:17 PM

So what you're proposing is a 14 week cycle? Isn't that too long? I was always told you shouldn't go past 8-10 weeks, because you're own natural testosterone shuts off after about 6 weeks? Also, what kind of amounts should I be doing? I am familiar with HCG but not PCT. What is that? I guess I have been out longer than I realized.

zx9rjas. · 07-07-2005, 03:30 PM

PCT is post cycle therapy. Anti oestrogen's are taken after the end of your cycle. I prefer novladex but alternatively Clomid can be used.

14 weeks is a long cycle but the HCG will help keep your teste function going throughout your cycle.

J

JonnyRage · 07-07-2005, 04:08 PM

Ah yes, I am familiar with Post Cycle Therapy, just not the PCT acronym. lol! I normally take Proviron and HCG. This time around I am going to get Clomid. And I have Nolvadex already. Thanks!

J.R.

JonnyRage · 07-07-2005, 04:22 PM

So you recommend taking a shot of HCG during the cycle rather than after? How much HCG? I recently read an article that said 5000 IU shots are too much of a jolt to the system, and they should be spread out to multiple 500-1000IU shots. What do you all think?

zx9rjas. · 07-07-2005, 04:28 PM

It is best if smaller doses are taken every 5 days or so. I normally dont start taking HCG until about the last 3 weeks of my cycle.

I have always used 1500iu ampules and used 1 amp per shot. Dont think 5000iu's is a good idea

J

**Bodyworks** · 10-07-2005, 12:00 PM

i'd use hcg sparingly. i've also heard of very small regular shots while still on, to keep natural test production up, but over use of hcg will desensitise the leydig cells in your body which may interfere with your long term production of testosterone.
just accept a drop of natural test production while on and bring it back up safely when off.

redspy · 11-07-2005, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyRage

So what you're proposing is a 14 week cycle? Isn't that too long? I was always told you shouldn't go past 8-10 weeks, because you're own natural testosterone shuts off after about 6 weeks? Also, what kind of amounts should I be doing? I am familiar with HCG but not PCT. What is that? I guess I have been out longer than I realized.

As long as you run HCG in small but regular doses you'll have no problem going for 14 weeks. Highly androgenic steroids will shut down natural test production in less than two weeks, but with HCG and good PCT and you'll be up and running in a short time. Personally I wouldn't do anything less than 10 weeks, unless I was using short esters like prop.

redspy · 11-07-2005, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodyworks

i'd use hcg sparingly. i've also heard of very small regular shots while still on, to keep natural test production up, but over use of hcg will desensitise the leydig cells in your body which may interfere with your long term production of testosterone.
just accept a drop of natural test production while on and bring it back up safely when off.

Good advice here. 500IU every 5 days is very commonly practiced.

05-07-2005, 06:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
JonnyRage Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17 Rep Power:	Sustanon, Deca Durabolin, and Anadrol cycle? I have been out of the steroid scene for going on 5 years now. For the most part I have kept a decent amount of my gains. I jumped from about 150 lbs to 225 lbs (68kg to 102kg) during my roid days. Right now I stick between 200 and 210 lbs (90kg to 95kg). To be honest, since I have been out of it for so long, I can't even remember what would make a good intermediate cycle. I may be a bit rusty, but I am not a beginner by any means. I am looking to do the hardest possible cycle I can because after this, I am out for good. So my question is: Would Sustanon, Deca, and Anadrol make a massive gain cycle? I can get ahold of just about any steroid, so I don't need to stick with those three. I see by your pictures on here, you guys know what you are doing. I've always been self taught with this sort of thing, and since this is going to be my last, I wanted advice from some pro's. All in all, what cycle would be best for huge gains? Thanks guys! - J.R.

05-07-2005, 07:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
redspy Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Way Out West Posts: 578 Rep Power:	Personally I wouldn't bother with the sust, it looks good on paper but in reality it's no better than test cyp or enan. Because of the prop content it should ideally be injected EOD. Deca is a good bulking option assuming you eat tons of food. There will be tons of differing opinions of this, but I'd do something like this Week 1-4 Dbol or Drol Week 1-14 Tren Enathate Week 1-14 Test Cypionate Week 1-13 EQ (to help your joints and increase hunger) Week 1-14 Proviron Week 4 to PCT - HCG PCT - Nolvadex ______________________ IronArena.com

07-07-2005, 03:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
JonnyRage Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17 Rep Power:	14 week cycle? So what you're proposing is a 14 week cycle? Isn't that too long? I was always told you shouldn't go past 8-10 weeks, because you're own natural testosterone shuts off after about 6 weeks? Also, what kind of amounts should I be doing? I am familiar with HCG but not PCT. What is that? I guess I have been out longer than I realized.

07-07-2005, 03:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
zx9rjas. Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 696 Rep Power:	PCT is post cycle therapy. Anti oestrogen's are taken after the end of your cycle. I prefer novladex but alternatively Clomid can be used. 14 weeks is a long cycle but the HCG will help keep your teste function going throughout your cycle. J ______________________ 50% of Training is nutrition 50% of Training is not overtraining If you cant gain see the above.

07-07-2005, 04:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
JonnyRage Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17 Rep Power:	Ah yes... Ah yes, I am familiar with Post Cycle Therapy, just not the PCT acronym. lol! I normally take Proviron and HCG. This time around I am going to get Clomid. And I have Nolvadex already. Thanks! J.R.

07-07-2005, 04:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
JonnyRage Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17 Rep Power:	HCG during cycle? So you recommend taking a shot of HCG during the cycle rather than after? How much HCG? I recently read an article that said 5000 IU shots are too much of a jolt to the system, and they should be spread out to multiple 500-1000IU shots. What do you all think?

07-07-2005, 04:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
zx9rjas. Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 696 Rep Power:	It is best if smaller doses are taken every 5 days or so. I normally dont start taking HCG until about the last 3 weeks of my cycle. I have always used 1500iu ampules and used 1 amp per shot. Dont think 5000iu's is a good idea J ______________________ 50% of Training is nutrition 50% of Training is not overtraining If you cant gain see the above.

10-07-2005, 12:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 1,023 Rep Power:	i'd use hcg sparingly. i've also heard of very small regular shots while still on, to keep natural test production up, but over use of hcg will desensitise the leydig cells in your body which may interfere with your long term production of testosterone. just accept a drop of natural test production while on and bring it back up safely when off.

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