"The classic stack" - your views?

MrSkinny · 28-03-2005, 03:59 PM

Cheers O.pex/others

I'm a little confused by the PCT. In the stack I posted is this just nolvadex . I think Heavy states:

"2. Just run the test with the Nolv and PCT "

Q1) Am I missing something here? Also, would you suggest a cycle of

day 1 -100mg
day 2-11 60mg
day11-22 40mcg
i.e. as stated in the post "Preparing to jump to the darkside"
rather than the one I suggested (although a different stack there)

Q2) For the liver protectants , you mention Milk thistle, what dose do you recommend?

John

DarkAngel · 28-03-2005, 05:03 PM

Hi john,
I think heavy was meaning use nolva with test incase of gyno trouble but imo if you have it at hand that is fine also so u can start using it when u feel your niples starting to get itchy.

As for the pct - the nolva dose is what i use and has worked very well for me so far.

As for milk thistle try and find high dose capsules around 300mg and run around 900mg-1g a day split through the day

MrSkinny · 28-03-2005, 05:24 PM

Many thanks O.pex 8)

meathead1987 · 30-03-2005, 11:39 AM

Always run test e a week or 2 longer than deca, deca stays in your system longer, so wil still be in your blood at highish levels after only 2 weeks off it.

I'd do:

500mg Test 1-12
300-400mg Deca 1-10
30-40mg Dbol 1-6(or 20mg superdrol)

MrSkinny · 30-03-2005, 12:31 PM

Yeah Meathead I've actually decided to drop the dec and just stick with test 500mg (weeks 1-10) and dianbol 30mg for 1-6 weeks, mainly cos its my first cycle and I wanna see if roids are for me.

Just a bit annoying the way its working out cos I am booked to go on a beach holiday in June with the lads and it means none or very little drink for me, :shock:

If I'm on test en at this time I wonder what is a safe amount to drink. Kinda wanna be sensible about this. Need to research this a little more.

meathead1987 · 30-03-2005, 12:36 PM

When are you on cycle? I would say wait at least 4 weeks after Dbol to drink, and definately dont drink in PCT. Drinking on a test only cycle wouldnt be as bad, but drinking is never good for you.

www.mindandmuscle.net check out the "chemically correct alcahol" article.

30-03-2005, 02:54 PM

Don't mean to sound thick but why no alcohol during PCT?
I'm looking forward to a few beers when I come off cycle.

Anonymous · 30-03-2005, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meathead1987

30-40mg Dbol 1-6(or 20mg superdrol)

superdrol?

this is the AS forum not the PH forum, if he wanted to run drol he could go with the real deal for half the price

Anonymous · 30-03-2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy

Don't mean to sound thick but why no alcohol during PCT?
I'm looking forward to a few beers when I come off cycle.

well if you wanted to lose all your gains you could drink on pct i guess! your gonna have test levels on par with that of a 9 year old girl, its gonna be hard enough to keep your new muscles without putting alcohol into your system, plus you've just run all that AS through your liver and your now on something like tamoxifen or clomid which is more hell on your liver, adding alcohol to that mix is not a wise idea, meathead is right, drinking on test would prob be better than drinking on pct! although neither is advisable

MrSkinny · 30-03-2005, 04:08 PM

Some good advice guys, cheers. Good link meathead.

I fully intend not to drink at all on Dbol but the snag is I'm going to Greece with 5 guys for a holiday so trying to stay off drink for a week could be hard,

I do intend to cut down to just a couple of beers and no binge drinking. Do you guys think its better to time the cycle such that the 2 weeks between the end of the Test and start of the pct, coincides with my holiday. Alternatively I could time it such that it coincides with week 9 or 10 of the test en. Seems prudent to think about it now.

Any advice?

John

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28-03-2005, 03:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
MrSkinny Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 255 Rep Power:	Cheers O.pex/others I'm a little confused by the PCT. In the stack I posted is this just nolvadex . I think Heavy states: "2. Just run the test with the Nolv and PCT " Q1) Am I missing something here? Also, would you suggest a cycle of day 1 -100mg day 2-11 60mg day11-22 40mcg i.e. as stated in the post "Preparing to jump to the darkside" rather than the one I suggested (although a different stack there) Q2) For the liver protectants , you mention Milk thistle, what dose do you recommend? John

28-03-2005, 05:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
DarkAngel Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 331 Rep Power:	Hi john, I think heavy was meaning use nolva with test incase of gyno trouble but imo if you have it at hand that is fine also so u can start using it when u feel your niples starting to get itchy. As for the pct - the nolva dose is what i use and has worked very well for me so far. As for milk thistle try and find high dose capsules around 300mg and run around 900mg-1g a day split through the day

28-03-2005, 05:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
MrSkinny Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 255 Rep Power:	Many thanks O.pex 8)

30-03-2005, 11:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
meathead1987 Making Progress Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power:	Always run test e a week or 2 longer than deca, deca stays in your system longer, so wil still be in your blood at highish levels after only 2 weeks off it. I'd do: 500mg Test 1-12 300-400mg Deca 1-10 30-40mg Dbol 1-6(or 20mg superdrol)

30-03-2005, 12:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
MrSkinny Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 255 Rep Power:	Yeah Meathead I've actually decided to drop the dec and just stick with test 500mg (weeks 1-10) and dianbol 30mg for 1-6 weeks, mainly cos its my first cycle and I wanna see if roids are for me. Just a bit annoying the way its working out cos I am booked to go on a beach holiday in June with the lads and it means none or very little drink for me, :shock: If I'm on test en at this time I wonder what is a safe amount to drink. Kinda wanna be sensible about this. Need to research this a little more.

30-03-2005, 12:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
meathead1987 Making Progress Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power:	When are you on cycle? I would say wait at least 4 weeks after Dbol to drink, and definately dont drink in PCT. Drinking on a test only cycle wouldnt be as bad, but drinking is never good for you. www.mindandmuscle.net check out the "chemically correct alcahol" article.

30-03-2005, 02:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Don't mean to sound thick but why no alcohol during PCT? I'm looking forward to a few beers when I come off cycle.

30-03-2005, 04:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
MrSkinny Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 255 Rep Power:	Some good advice guys, cheers. Good link meathead. I fully intend not to drink at all on Dbol but the snag is I'm going to Greece with 5 guys for a holiday so trying to stay off drink for a week could be hard, I do intend to cut down to just a couple of beers and no binge drinking. Do you guys think its better to time the cycle such that the 2 weeks between the end of the Test and start of the pct, coincides with my holiday. Alternatively I could time it such that it coincides with week 9 or 10 of the test en. Seems prudent to think about it now. Any advice? John