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Anonymous · 17-03-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu21Ldn

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Originally Posted by O.pex

Yeah the 2 cycles mentioned here are good but i will advise something in between lol

i would advise 400mg deca for your cycle but this is just my opinion but run it a little longer

so would like like this -

wk 1-11 400mg deca
wk 1-12 500mg test enth
wk1-6 30mg dbol
wk 14 pct

I have shown the deca stopping 1 week prior to the sus - this is to allow the drugs to both bring you to starting pct at the same time. (decas half life for pct is 21 days - test enth is 14 days)

Simple cycle like the ones shown today are the bread and butter of cycles imo and work very well.

Post up your last cycle and we can tweek the doses if need be

would you throw in some hCG for a cycle like that?

deca is supposed to shut you down pretty hard.

i'd definately recommend HCG on a cycle like that

redspy · 17-03-2005, 08:20 PM

Here's my favourite bulker:-

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-12 EQ 600mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg
Weeks 4-12 HCG - 500IU every 5 days.
PCT Weeks 1-4: Nolva (60/40/40/20)

DarkAngel · 17-03-2005, 08:37 PM

Guys hcg is not needed unless you are running a gram a week of test and if you really feel you do need it - it is best ran 500ius every day for the last 2weeks of your cycle.

But as i say its not required.

I advise nolvadex recovery instead of clomid as clomid causes serious depression and can break you out in acne.

Nolva and clomid are very similar in stucture but nolva is stronger and imo the better drug for recovery (just my opinion)

I would run nolva like this -

day 1 -100mg nolvadex
day 2-11 60mg nolva
day 11-22 40mg nolva

This is what i currently run and have never looked back on clomid!

I do use hcg myself but i do use over a gram of test.

Another good aid for pct is tribulas.

All this info above is just my opinion and what works for me

Stu21Ldn · 17-03-2005, 09:01 PM

nolva makes me break out in spots as well

redspy · 18-03-2005, 01:59 AM

Even if you're only running 500mg of test I think running HCG throughout the cycle really helps to speed endocrine recovery and maintain gains.

GettinSwole · 18-03-2005, 10:18 PM

you don't need hcg for a 12 week cycle... the shutdown isn't that intense. Now if you're running 16+ weeks, I could see definitely having it on hand. As for nolva dosages up there... why run 60mg or nolva per day for a week? It's a SERM and attaches to estrogen receptors. Women with breast cancer taking it to get rid of that don't use 60mg per day... It's also a bad thing to eliminate all estrogen from your body. It lowers your IGF-1 levels and limits your progress.

zx9rjas. · 18-03-2005, 11:08 PM

I think HCG is dependant on many factors. Some shutdown pretty hard compared to others.

I used HCG on my last cycle and I really liked it. It was a 12 week cycle, that was deca and test enanthate(plus anabol@40mg for weeks 1-5)

used the HCG coming towards the end of my cycle and recovered my testes superfast and helped with mood. I would definately use it again as my testes get hit pretty hard even after about 6 weeks :shock:

J

DarkAngel · 18-03-2005, 11:27 PM

If i was to go over 12weeks then yes i would advise hcg for recovery - also depending on testicular shrinkage would be another factor.

TBH guys i think we are going too deep into pct here - at the end of the day if djwales decides to run hcg it will do no harm and will be fine.

As long as he learns to run some sort of pct is the main thing,unfortunately i know too many guys who run nothing for pct

garrilla · 19-03-2005, 03:14 PM

on your second cycle you dont want to be messin with "anadrol" aka anapalon or oxymetholone its to strong and has to many health risks, steroids aint smarties.

i'd suggest 1ml of test 400 every 3 days for 10 wks, dont know why it gets all the complaints its good stuff and i get very little discomfort from it unless i inject alot at once, kick it off with 6 dbol a day for the first 6 wks
its a good second course that keeps costs down and will have a dramatic effect. you dont need the doses some guys have suggested oh and start pct 2 weeks after coming off.

Anonymous · 23-03-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GettinSwole

you don't need hcg for a 12 week cycle... the shutdown isn't that intense.

it depends on what your running bro, a little hcg goes a long way at getting your testes back to size and improving recovery, i have a 10wk test only cycle planned in a couple of months and i'll be running hcg on cycle, not because i have to but just because it will make recovery easier, if you look at the benefits of hcg they are pretty vast and IMO its well worth running even on relatively mild cycles

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GettinSwole Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 372 Rep Power:	you don't need hcg for a 12 week cycle... the shutdown isn't that intense. Now if you're running 16+ weeks, I could see definitely having it on hand. As for nolva dosages up there... why run 60mg or nolva per day for a week? It's a SERM and attaches to estrogen receptors. Women with breast cancer taking it to get rid of that don't use 60mg per day... It's also a bad thing to eliminate all estrogen from your body. It lowers your IGF-1 levels and limits your progress. ______________________ thricefan@cyber-rights.net You have to do what others won't to achieve what others don't.

18-03-2005, 11:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
zx9rjas. Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 696 Rep Power:	I think HCG is dependant on many factors. Some shutdown pretty hard compared to others. I used HCG on my last cycle and I really liked it. It was a 12 week cycle, that was deca and test enanthate(plus anabol@40mg for weeks 1-5) used the HCG coming towards the end of my cycle and recovered my testes superfast and helped with mood. I would definately use it again as my testes get hit pretty hard even after about 6 weeks :shock: J ______________________ 50% of Training is nutrition 50% of Training is not overtraining If you cant gain see the above.

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17-03-2005, 08:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
redspy Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Way Out West Posts: 578 Rep Power:	Here's my favourite bulker:- Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg/week Weeks 1-12 EQ 600mg/week Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg Weeks 4-12 HCG - 500IU every 5 days. PCT Weeks 1-4: Nolva (60/40/40/20)

17-03-2005, 08:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
DarkAngel Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 331 Rep Power:	Guys hcg is not needed unless you are running a gram a week of test and if you really feel you do need it - it is best ran 500ius every day for the last 2weeks of your cycle. But as i say its not required. I advise nolvadex recovery instead of clomid as clomid causes serious depression and can break you out in acne. Nolva and clomid are very similar in stucture but nolva is stronger and imo the better drug for recovery (just my opinion) I would run nolva like this - day 1 -100mg nolvadex day 2-11 60mg nolva day 11-22 40mg nolva This is what i currently run and have never looked back on clomid! I do use hcg myself but i do use over a gram of test. Another good aid for pct is tribulas. All this info above is just my opinion and what works for me

17-03-2005, 09:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	nolva makes me break out in spots as well

18-03-2005, 01:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
redspy Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Way Out West Posts: 578 Rep Power:	Even if you're only running 500mg of test I think running HCG throughout the cycle really helps to speed endocrine recovery and maintain gains.

18-03-2005, 11:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
DarkAngel Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 331 Rep Power:	If i was to go over 12weeks then yes i would advise hcg for recovery - also depending on testicular shrinkage would be another factor. TBH guys i think we are going too deep into pct here - at the end of the day if djwales decides to run hcg it will do no harm and will be fine. As long as he learns to run some sort of pct is the main thing,unfortunately i know too many guys who run nothing for pct

19-03-2005, 03:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
garrilla Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power:	on your second cycle you dont want to be messin with "anadrol" aka anapalon or oxymetholone its to strong and has to many health risks, steroids aint smarties. i'd suggest 1ml of test 400 every 3 days for 10 wks, dont know why it gets all the complaints its good stuff and i get very little discomfort from it unless i inject alot at once, kick it off with 6 dbol a day for the first 6 wks its a good second course that keeps costs down and will have a dramatic effect. you dont need the doses some guys have suggested oh and start pct 2 weeks after coming off.