Advice on HCG & Clomid

SteT

ops: :? I have done 6 courses of gear over the last 3 yrs , Dbol + Decca, Decca + Sus, & Decca + Test. Always used Nolvadex but until recently never thought of using Clomid or HCG.
After my last course ended ( 8 weeks ago ) sex drive was at an all time low, has been low after previous courses but never as bad as this time.
It bothered me so much that was not going to do any more gear until i got speaking to a couple of long time gear users at the gym and they reccomended the use of Clomid or HCG.
I am after advice on what they do, how to take them, when to take them ie after androgen levels have dropped off or mid course.
As you guys have lots more knowledge than me look forward to receiving your sound advice, cheers.

GettinSwole

Clomid is for post cycle use, hcg should be used in the middle of your course. This will keep atrophy at a minimum. I prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, but many ppl use both.

SteT

Thanks for the speedy reply gettinswole, i have got hold of some Clomid today so will give this a go.
When you say HCG should be used mid cycle, when exactly?
If i am going to do another course it will be in the New Yr, i will prob do only a 4 week course as any longer i feel that my receptor sites shut down, i never made any gains after the 4th week on previous courses.
I will do for the 1st 3 weeks 2ml Decca + 1 ml test, then on the last week just 2ml Decca. Will use Nolvadex thgrough the course.
If i do the above when should i jab HCG & how much, i now know that i should start the Clomid when my androgen levels ahve dropped enough so after about 3 weeks from my last jab but the HCG i do not have a clue.
Thanks again & keep at it.

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GettinSwole

HCG is unnecessary on a 4 week cycle. HCG is really only necessary IMO when you're running cycles of more than 14 weeks. Some ppl use it on 12 weekers, but I don't find myself that shut down to need it.

SteT

GettinSwole after my last course which i finished 8 weeks ago (which was 10 Dbol a day + 2 Ml Decca + 1ML Test for 3 weeks then 4th week the same except no Test cycled down off the dbol over 3 weeks after this) as i said my sex drive was very low and balls shrunk a fair bit, both are starting to get back to normal now, & hopefully with the Clomid will sort it out ASAP.
So are you saying that for a 4 week course Clomid on its own should do?
I do not fancy suffering such a low sex drive again (Mrs not happy!!) & am worried about the balls some guys at the gym reckon that to mush shrinkage can damage fertitity (that would really piss the Mrs off, she wants kids!!)

Anonymous

personally i like to use a shot of hcg mid cycle and 3 weeks of clomid post cycle with a shot of hcg every 10 days odds. bare in mind i prefer high androgens so my nuts shrink to petit pois size with alarming regularity.

GettinSwole

One of the reasons your sex drive was bad at the end of your last course could be that you didn't have test that last week, only deca. Test's half-life is less than deca's so when the test was long-gone from your system, the deca was still in there and keeping your test levels suppressed. This would cause a symptom known as deca ****.

SteT

Thanks fellas for the advice i obviously need to be doing some more resaerch ops:

SteT

y2kfireblade & GettinSwole, thanks for the advice, going to rack your brains again if you got time?
the last course i did (as above) i had the last jab of decca on 11/10/04. So everything will be well out of system by now, right?
I have been taking Clomid (3 tabs daily, spread out through day out) for the last 4 days.
How long do you think it should be until sex drive is back to normal, and suffered slight bollock shringage, not petit pois size!, but shrunk, how long until they recover.
I am concerned (not overly) but Mrs is as she wants to try for kids next yr & has got it into her head that i will be a jaffa while the bollox are small!

SteT

y2kfireblade & GettinSwole, thanks for the advice, going to rack your brains again if you got time?
the last course i did (as above) i had the last jab of decca on 11/10/04. So everything will be well out of system by now, right?
I have been taking Clomid (3 tabs daily, spread out through day out) for the last 4 days.
How long do you think it should be until sex drive is back to normal, and suffered slight bollock shringage, not petit pois size!, but shrunk, how long until they recover.
I am concerned (not overly) but Mrs is as she wants to try for kids next yr & has got it into her head that i will be a jaffa while the bollox are small!