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skinny · 03-11-2004, 09:43 PM

How does the use of clomid compliment the use of tamoxifen durind PCT. also how much tamoxifen should be taken during PCT with the usual course of clomid? :?:

GettinSwole · 04-11-2004, 04:27 AM

Alot of people think clomid and nolva are good to use together, but there are many who believe that tamoxifen is the best. I will make a new post that you can read about this shortly

GTForce · 11-11-2004, 07:51 PM

I agree with Gettin Swole, they compliment one another in my opinion, but if I had to chose one or the other I would go with nolvadex. Clomid makes me want to phone up all my ex-girlfriends and apologize for being such a rascal. I become way too emotional, I also get acne. That said, I use both for PCT and my PCT has always worked well so I do not want to fix something that is not broken. Adding nolva allows me to lower my clomid dose and thus reduce some of my clomid sides. The first PCT I did was without nolva, clomid only, and I did not like it. Seeing as we're taking about PCT, I will list the supplements I take :
DHEA
B5
Clen alternated with ephedrine (2 days of each)
L-arginine
Milk thistle
Cranberry
Primrose oil
Tribulus
Avena Sativa
Clomid
Nolvadex
ZMA

Hope this helps

redneil1975 · 12-11-2004, 03:43 PM

what about hcg? How neccessary is it? Can it cause gyno?

Anonymous · 12-11-2004, 04:18 PM

Yes it can.
It really depends how disruptive the cycle is/was to testicle size. It is important for a more comfortable PCT if the nuts have returned to full size before it commences.

As I prefer suspension and prop, and as these have a major effect on my nads, I use it during the cycle and at the end whilst awaiting half life deterioration.

For the first few cycles id say its probably not worth the hassle of it all as it can get quite complicated and cause some big sides in some.

My best gains happen whilst using it though.....

redneil1975 · 13-11-2004, 02:00 PM

thanks for the info david.May go without as i am gyno sensitive

03-11-2004, 09:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
skinny Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Neath, S.Wales Posts: 24 Rep Power:	PCT How does the use of clomid compliment the use of tamoxifen durind PCT. also how much tamoxifen should be taken during PCT with the usual course of clomid? :?:

04-11-2004, 04:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
GettinSwole Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 372 Rep Power:	Alot of people think clomid and nolva are good to use together, but there are many who believe that tamoxifen is the best. I will make a new post that you can read about this shortly ______________________ thricefan@cyber-rights.net You have to do what others won't to achieve what others don't.

11-11-2004, 07:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
GTForce Making Progress Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 198 Rep Power:	I agree with Gettin Swole, they compliment one another in my opinion, but if I had to chose one or the other I would go with nolvadex. Clomid makes me want to phone up all my ex-girlfriends and apologize for being such a rascal. I become way too emotional, I also get acne. That said, I use both for PCT and my PCT has always worked well so I do not want to fix something that is not broken. Adding nolva allows me to lower my clomid dose and thus reduce some of my clomid sides. The first PCT I did was without nolva, clomid only, and I did not like it. Seeing as we're taking about PCT, I will list the supplements I take : DHEA B5 Clen alternated with ephedrine (2 days of each) L-arginine Milk thistle Cranberry Primrose oil Tribulus Avena Sativa Clomid Nolvadex ZMA Hope this helps ______________________ You don't win friends with salad

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12-11-2004, 03:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
redneil1975 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: inverness Posts: 32 Rep Power:	what about hcg? How neccessary is it? Can it cause gyno?

12-11-2004, 04:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Yes it can. It really depends how disruptive the cycle is/was to testicle size. It is important for a more comfortable PCT if the nuts have returned to full size before it commences. As I prefer suspension and prop, and as these have a major effect on my nads, I use it during the cycle and at the end whilst awaiting half life deterioration. For the first few cycles id say its probably not worth the hassle of it all as it can get quite complicated and cause some big sides in some. My best gains happen whilst using it though.....

13-11-2004, 02:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
redneil1975 Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: inverness Posts: 32 Rep Power:	thanks for the info david.May go without as i am gyno sensitive