Trenbolone - acetate or hex?

Bill Froog · 12-09-2004, 01:06 AM

As a beginner, I thought I might try a Primobolan/Trenbolone stack. I'm a bit confused though, about the different types of tren. As I understand it, the acetate form was developed for vetinary use, while trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate is more suited to us human types. The latter is supposed to have a longer half-life - therefore fewer injections (one would assume). However, the info. I've seen suggests that hex and acetate both be injected at a rate of 75mg, 3 times/week. Surely the hex can be injected just once or twice/week? Also, I've seen acetate in tablet form. Are these orals, or do they need to be converted into an injectable? If they are orals, is the dosage the same (i.e. 3x25mg tabs, 3 times/week)? Is there any difference in effect between acetate/acetate tabs and hex?

I seem to remember David mentioning that he would never use a multi-shot vial. Does that mean even from reliable sources? Most of the tren I've seen has been in 10ml vials - should I avoid? The only amps I've seen were pretty expensive!

Anonymous · 12-09-2004, 09:46 AM

I prefer not to use multis. From golden sources I do but they are easily played around with.
Ive seen the tren tabs for sale. They would need to be taken every day although I do not know their half life.
When trying anything for the first time I would always suggest going with the fastest acting ester. In this case, if its real then that would be the tabs. The acetate running a close second. This would be especially important with tren and any other 19NOR based drug due to their potential for bad side effects. (progestin/progesterone) (fertility and sex drive)
Tren hex (parabolan) is usually used in the run up to competition so a more regular administration is preferred to build up to a high blood level for the day.

Go with the acetate 10 ml. Look for GL, apex or similar.

Anonymous · 12-09-2004, 12:44 PM

Thanks David - helpful as ever. The tabs *would* avoid the necessity of frequent injections (no bad thing from a beginner's point of view!). I'm not so much worried about fertility/sex drive sides (no girlfriend anyway :-( ), more the hair loss, gyno., piling on fat type of effects! Also, I'm after a stack that will enable me to keep as much of the (lean) gains as possible.
Just a thought - should I use some HCG with the Tren/Primo stack? If so, when? If HCG is used, should Nolva always be used afterwards?

Anonymous · 12-09-2004, 01:53 PM

You'll need nolva with HCG use, yes mate. Tren can bring on a wicked progesterone gyno that anti-oestrogens cant help with at all. Bromocriptine and B6 are used to fight this. I dont know if you'll suffer this at all but it needs to be considered.
Why tren bro? Its very harsh, very unpredictable in some. I mean some love it some hate it. Why primo? Primo is DHT based so you'll get the oily skin and hairloss going on with it. Id look into Turinabol but then I love it soooo much. 4chloro1dehydro17alphamethyltestosterone

Note the added chloro group at the 4-position. In itself quite ingenious. I mean you see all sorts of structural alterations to prevent a steroid from interacting with enzymes, but none as simple as this. By putting a structural alterations right on top of the 4-position, it cannot be 5-alpha reduced to dihydrotestosterone, thereby limiting a more androgenic form in androgen specific tissue like scalp, prostate and skin. And so of course, avoiding all problems associated with DHT formation like extreme cases of acne and serious hair loss. But it also prevent aromatization, so no estrogen is formed. That limits fat gain, bloat and the risk of breast growth in men (gyno).
It also gives great lean mass gains and strength. Maybe this and a little tren.

Bill Froog · 12-09-2004, 08:37 PM

Why Tren.? Well as I've never tried it, I can only go by what I've read - which is that it delivers "small, well-maintainable and quality gains" "which is quite easy to keep on your frame", (it)"easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat", "In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable." There are androgenic side-effects, but I guess those are inevitable with anything other than weak steroids.
Why Primo? Again from what I have read: "taking into account that Primo is still a DHT (or rather DHB) derivative, is that it is quite easy on the system androgenically", "Its quite mild, so its not as prone to cause your standard side-effects. This too makes it quite popular with beginners", "gains are fairly easy to maintain".
I guess you see what I'm looking for: a stack that will give lean, long-lasting gains and which has minimal toxicity and aromatization. I hadn't considered turinabol because I can find so little information about it (maybe because a lot of the info. on the net is US based and it's hard to get there).
Maybe I'll take your advice and try the turinabol. I see Jupiter are still out however. Are you still thinking of getting a bulk order in? PM me about this.

Anonymous · 13-09-2004, 08:29 AM

Fair enough mate, all good points. Primo being very expensive and my fear of unscrupulous dealers and UG multis; what brand are you going for?

Im trying real hard to get 1k. Ill let everyone know but they aint cheap

Bill Froog · 13-09-2004, 11:51 AM

Turkish Schering Primo - as recommended by your good self (maybe 300mg p/w). If no turinabol, maybe I'll stack it with some oxanabol and stanozolol. I shouldn't need any HCG/tamoxifen with those. Maybe some clen. also (if I'm not suffering too many sides from the other stuff!).

Anonymous · 13-09-2004, 02:45 PM

Aaaah, the nice stuff. Sweet

Let me know how you get on mate, id be really interested in the feedback from it all especially how much you keep of your gains. Cheers.

Bill Froog · 14-09-2004, 11:03 PM

Will do - feedback's the best way we can help each other out. It's what forums like this (and the net in general) are made for - share the knowledge.
Thanks again for all the pointers.

12-09-2004, 01:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bill Froog Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	Trenbolone - acetate or hex? As a beginner, I thought I might try a Primobolan/Trenbolone stack. I'm a bit confused though, about the different types of tren. As I understand it, the acetate form was developed for vetinary use, while trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate is more suited to us human types. The latter is supposed to have a longer half-life - therefore fewer injections (one would assume). However, the info. I've seen suggests that hex and acetate both be injected at a rate of 75mg, 3 times/week. Surely the hex can be injected just once or twice/week? Also, I've seen acetate in tablet form. Are these orals, or do they need to be converted into an injectable? If they are orals, is the dosage the same (i.e. 3x25mg tabs, 3 times/week)? Is there any difference in effect between acetate/acetate tabs and hex? I seem to remember David mentioning that he would never use a multi-shot vial. Does that mean even from reliable sources? Most of the tren I've seen has been in 10ml vials - should I avoid? The only amps I've seen were pretty expensive!

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12-09-2004, 09:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	I prefer not to use multis. From golden sources I do but they are easily played around with. Ive seen the tren tabs for sale. They would need to be taken every day although I do not know their half life. When trying anything for the first time I would always suggest going with the fastest acting ester. In this case, if its real then that would be the tabs. The acetate running a close second. This would be especially important with tren and any other 19NOR based drug due to their potential for bad side effects. (progestin/progesterone) (fertility and sex drive) Tren hex (parabolan) is usually used in the run up to competition so a more regular administration is preferred to build up to a high blood level for the day. Go with the acetate 10 ml. Look for GL, apex or similar.

12-09-2004, 12:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Thanks David - helpful as ever. The tabs would avoid the necessity of frequent injections (no bad thing from a beginner's point of view!). I'm not so much worried about fertility/sex drive sides (no girlfriend anyway :-( ), more the hair loss, gyno., piling on fat type of effects! Also, I'm after a stack that will enable me to keep as much of the (lean) gains as possible. Just a thought - should I use some HCG with the Tren/Primo stack? If so, when? If HCG is used, should Nolva always be used afterwards?

12-09-2004, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	You'll need nolva with HCG use, yes mate. Tren can bring on a wicked progesterone gyno that anti-oestrogens cant help with at all. Bromocriptine and B6 are used to fight this. I dont know if you'll suffer this at all but it needs to be considered. Why tren bro? Its very harsh, very unpredictable in some. I mean some love it some hate it. Why primo? Primo is DHT based so you'll get the oily skin and hairloss going on with it. Id look into Turinabol but then I love it soooo much. 4chloro1dehydro17alphamethyltestosterone Note the added chloro group at the 4-position. In itself quite ingenious. I mean you see all sorts of structural alterations to prevent a steroid from interacting with enzymes, but none as simple as this. By putting a structural alterations right on top of the 4-position, it cannot be 5-alpha reduced to dihydrotestosterone, thereby limiting a more androgenic form in androgen specific tissue like scalp, prostate and skin. And so of course, avoiding all problems associated with DHT formation like extreme cases of acne and serious hair loss. But it also prevent aromatization, so no estrogen is formed. That limits fat gain, bloat and the risk of breast growth in men (gyno). It also gives great lean mass gains and strength. Maybe this and a little tren.

12-09-2004, 08:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bill Froog Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	Why Tren.? Well as I've never tried it, I can only go by what I've read - which is that it delivers "small, well-maintainable and quality gains" "which is quite easy to keep on your frame", (it)"easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat", "In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable." There are androgenic side-effects, but I guess those are inevitable with anything other than weak steroids. Why Primo? Again from what I have read: "taking into account that Primo is still a DHT (or rather DHB) derivative, is that it is quite easy on the system androgenically", "Its quite mild, so its not as prone to cause your standard side-effects. This too makes it quite popular with beginners", "gains are fairly easy to maintain". I guess you see what I'm looking for: a stack that will give lean, long-lasting gains and which has minimal toxicity and aromatization. I hadn't considered turinabol because I can find so little information about it (maybe because a lot of the info. on the net is US based and it's hard to get there). Maybe I'll take your advice and try the turinabol. I see Jupiter are still out however. Are you still thinking of getting a bulk order in? PM me about this.

13-09-2004, 08:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Fair enough mate, all good points. Primo being very expensive and my fear of unscrupulous dealers and UG multis; what brand are you going for? Im trying real hard to get 1k. Ill let everyone know but they aint cheap

13-09-2004, 11:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bill Froog Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	Turkish Schering Primo - as recommended by your good self (maybe 300mg p/w). If no turinabol, maybe I'll stack it with some oxanabol and stanozolol. I shouldn't need any HCG/tamoxifen with those. Maybe some clen. also (if I'm not suffering too many sides from the other stuff!).

13-09-2004, 02:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	Aaaah, the nice stuff. Sweet Let me know how you get on mate, id be really interested in the feedback from it all especially how much you keep of your gains. Cheers.

14-09-2004, 11:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bill Froog Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	Will do - feedback's the best way we can help each other out. It's what forums like this (and the net in general) are made for - share the knowledge. Thanks again for all the pointers.