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| Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: ![]() | guys hope you can help me on this one in the 50s 60s and early 70s dianobol was the only drug available but from what i gather they had no pct ie clomed novadex etc i met mr olympia 1965 1966 larry scott last year and he informed me that the most he every took was 10mg a day most of the time 5mg larry is a man renowned for his integraty and honesty so i beleive him what i am baffoled about is from all the pics of the guys i have seen through out the 50s and 60s not one bodybuilder had any type of gyno or anything like that so this is why when i do my first cycle im gonna keep it at those doses without any pct btw will this shut down my test production? im thinking of doing 5mg a day for the first week then bump it up to 10mg a day thereafter for 4 weeks im gonna drink more water and more cranberry juice to flush out my kidneys also im gonna keep my suplementation spot on and get my eating in check im 18 so i think i might wait another year thanks for listening guys nick |
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| Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 22 Rep Power: ![]() | i hear that oral Turinabol is a good steroid to use but ive never heard of it im gonna go check my anabolic steroid handbook to see if i can find out what it is could i have some info on it cheers mates nick |
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| Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: US new york Posts: 47 Rep Power: ![]() | bro you will not see any results from your idea. its not true that bodybuilders in the 50's and 60's didnt have gyno. of course they did, they just didnt know what it was. we know so much these days about gear and how it works, its great. tapering doses of dbol is dumb, and at such low doses its even worse. you will see minimal strength gains for a short period of time. do yourself a favor and run a constant does to ensure consistent blood levels. the reason for tapering is because in the past there was no such thing as nolvadex or other anti estrogens so bodybuilders tapered doses so they could get natural test levels up beforre coming off the drug to prevent a crash with elevated estrogen levesl. get some nolvadex bro.. its cheap. and i do not at all support a dbol only cycle. no test = no cycle. but i know you newbies, you'll learn, but mayvbe the hard way. good luck bro. any questions feel free to ask. good luck. sauceman ______________________ < sauceman > |
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| Making Progress Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North West - UK Posts: 168 Rep Power: ![]() | Bump for the Sauceman ______________________ "Training is not a hobby but a way of life" "All of my advise is for role playing purposes only, I do not in anyway condone the use of steroids" |
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| Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 39 Rep Power: ![]() | How the hell did arnold get away with it? You know, i'd love to know how that son of a good gun got away with no gyno, the hugest amount of muscle mass ever at that time, no spots, no liver damge, no anything. And he chain smoked cigars! And he took roids from, like, 15 onwards. No groath stunt, bone deficiency, no anything. C'mon, does anyone out there know or have any idea what kind of dosages arni was running. Was he cycling? Did he take all year round? What. Oh, and if 10mg made those guys back in 60.70s look that good, then i'm afriad that does work, gymlad. You look at bodybuilders these days and is it just me or do they look nowhere near as good as they did back then. Their stomaches are bloated and swollen (Jay cutler, Ronni Colman). Shit, i saw a pic of colman, relaxing his stomach after a pose, and he looked pregnant. Arni, Franko Culubo, my god, Serg Nubra, Frank Zane etc; those guys were and are the greatest. If they were up on stage today, bodybuilding would remember that it used to be about muscle and symitry as well. Not just who looks like the biggest, bloated price of shit, loaded with the most amount of drugs all year round, on stage ever. So that the whole world of bodybuiding is now about who can kill themselves, or almost kill themselves, to be the best. Jay cutlers liver must look like a piece of microwaved shit. Why I despise what has become of bodybuiding is becuse of the extreams it's been taken too. It means anyone who wants to become the best in our spot has to kill themsleves or they cannot compete. It's like a sport, where unless you're willing to die, you can't play. Step on stage natural, or not loaded with drugs or ten diffrent types to counter the side effects of the other several, and you'll look like a looser. Man, the world of bodybulding has gone to the pits. It's disgusting. And its all becuse of the incresing demand to do more drugs to get an edge on the next man. HGH? Jesus, man, they're all on that stuff, and it's deadly! It shortens the life span man, just so that one man can step up on a stage and look bigger than the next man. And this will be done forver, or to even further extreams. Stay low, gymlad, experiment, but stay low. If it worked back then, it'll work now. Despite what suaceman says, much as i respect him for the advice he's given me. And the side effects will be less, the liver damage will be less. In moderation, the greatest achivments can be made, and you will live (at least longer) to enjoy them, in moderation. I'm no riod expert, as to expeireince i have none, as for the passion of my sport, i have it in here, in the heart, where it matters most, and i am saddened. You don't need to be a freak, you don't need to be huge to the point where you're loaded with several diffrent drugs to so and if you stop, you go back or lose more than three quarters of it. It worked then, it'll work now. Funny how all the guys back then, are alive right now, and healthy. Lui Ferigno, Ken waller, arni, mike cats, etc. Moderate man, lives long. Indulegnt man either becomes obese or grows breasts, or goes to the grave with breats and obese. Experiment, but stay low. 30mg d-bol? Foprget it man, force your body to respond to less, even if you dont turn into a freak. I ask my girl friend what she prefered over the years when i adjusted my diet, training regime - big muscle mass, or less and a ripped, hard look. She prefred the ripped hard look, and so did her firends, and their friends, and when you look ripped and hard you get the respect anyway, becuse people look at you and know you have that edge, that force inside they cannot secrete, that will to lift steel, that disiplin to meet your goals as a man, and achive as a champion of yourself - and not like an impacient selfish child who wants the biggest and the most as fast as possible and all for himself. Gain and maintain a good amount of muscle, whith or wihtout drugs, but if with stay low - so you can give yourself a push, not an abrupt shuve, and you will be a winner. Muscle bound, and ripped to the bone. That takes a dedication to diet and training - even with drugs (low, comparitivly safe doses) - that even the bloated beasts with fat pot bellies cannot achive, and man, the ladies love it. It breaks down to two things: other men will repect size and stregnth, but unless you want man breath on your neck in the night and something sliding inside you with no effect but to cure constipation in the long term, or cause it (compact it) why bother. Impress the ladies, they respect - scratch that, are in awe of a ripped, muscle bound body. Look at most men, ie the avergae man around you. Is he ripped? No. Is he muscly, no. Even moderatly, no. Does he have what it takes, that real edge? No. He likes watching TV. Playing his playstation, and eating mcdonalds. When he goes to the gym, if he does goes to the gymn, he pisses around with no real motivation and then quits, or might as well do. Then look at yourself, and imagine the ladies singling you out amoungst this crowd. Why. Becue you're muscley and ripped and that takes something else, that takes something admirable. That takes something the average man doesnt have. If you can be moderate, and gain even more of an edge than you already have (over the average-man, and live long to enjoy it), why go wild? Good luck gymlad. And lastly, girls don't like zits, man. Higher doses, more zits. And i have not met a girl yet who prefers gno man-buds from hard, ripped, stirated pecks. And . . . remebr the 60s, remebr the greats . . . Gods who started out as men. Today . . . Men, who became drug-fueled monsters, and deformed the face of one of the finest and greatest sports of all time. Eastbayray. Over, but not out. |
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| Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 635 Rep Power: ![]() | good post eastbayray - i totally agree. i think roids should be used as an aid and theres no need to take huge amounts. theres no substitute for hard work and if your banging every drug under the sun in massive amounts -your body will become used to it and wont respondto natural gains. im not saying i disagree with cycles, but i think low amounts are the way forward. a test based cycle with some dinabol initially seems the best option from what iv learned. si |
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| Under Construction Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 61 Rep Power: ![]() | Hey, I have just started an oral only cycle of Dbol although i will be using a transdermal test as well on my last 2 weeks. I dont want to be huge so i started off safe at 25mg and have just gone upto 30mg. I have already put on 4lbs and my arm messurements have all gone up. (Now on my second week) (Yes i've read loads of reviews and articles about how i will lose it all after the course, but i've also read some that have kept a good amount. Fingers crossed) What im trying to say is be cautious. You dont know how your body will respond to a drug so be careful. I was making gains on 25mg and at the moment i'm very happy. ______________________ www.ClaytonSupplements.Com 4AD - M1T - Superdrol - 1AD - Still Availible ! Beat The Pain, Don't Let The Pain Beat You. It Will Hurt Twice As Much If You Fail ! |
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