british dragon

Lenny Three

hello just to let u know found out what the bd means on my tabs,its british dragon, ive got 10mg ones plus 50mg ones ,
they are Methandrostanolone (Dianabol),just wanted to know whats the best way of taking them and how much in mg is a normal dose,thanks alot for your time :shock:

Anonymous

Id start with 5 mgs after breakfast and 5 mgs after evening meal and keep at this dose until you feel something happen. Just to make sure they are real. By day 10 your strength should have gone up noticably. By day 14 you may want to increase it to 20/25 mgs per day in 3 doses. If you are still gaining and feeling good you may want to increase again at around day 28 or so and go up to as much as 40 mgs per day for a week but id then reduce the dose slowly over the next 4-6 weeks, finishing on 2.5 mgs twice a day. Keep a watch out for itchy nipples and shrinking testes altho you should be fine on these doses and length of intake.

norditropin

Enjoy Lenny and you should see good gains if you follow Davids advice,they are "good shit".

Anonymous

I persoannly don't agree with the tappering up and down pyramid system. I would hit it high at the start and keep it at that dose for the duration of the course. 10mg of dbol is enough to start shutting down your HPTA. Therefore tapering down is not going to encourage your nads to start working again. The only thing that will do that is the proper use of HCG and Clomid.

If this is your first course then 40mg a day would be good. split into 4 doses throughout the day. Have nolvadex on hand incase of gyno and start clomid PCT 4 hours the next day after your last tab.

Hope this helps and it is only my opinion.

norditropin

I agree with you emerald and also David,the way u described emerald is better for an experienced user,I think this is a first time course and David was right to give the above advice.I persoanlly hit high at the beginning ect,but have used gear for a few yrs now,don't think this would be best way for an inexperienced user tho,also think adding nolva at 20mg a day would do no harm

Anonymous

Yeah, it really is advice for a first timer. I'm in the process of a stickie on the subject so check back. I really do believe in experimenting with your first try of any drug. If you've never had aspirin in your life you wouldnt take two for a headache straight off, or you shouldnt, despite what it says on the packet. Its all a safety mechanism so the first time user can assess how they feel and they recognise a significant kick-in of the drug with regards to strength and size. Also what its like to lose some size and strength and how they deal with that concept as a person. Its a complicated issue/ topic but has more to do with how your mind feels, not your gonads for now. COME ON ENGLAND!!

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Anonymous

I agree with Emerald, the pyramid system is old hat and a perfect way to limit your gains by giving your body time to shut down, it also leds your nads shrink too.

Get on and hit it hard for a shorter period of time, do 5 weeks at 50 mg a day split into 5 x 10mg, don't give your body time to stop its own production, get plenty food into you over those 5 weeks.

Bodybuilding culture is not suitable for "worriers", if you are going to take drugs to alter your body it is a risk. When you buy pharmaceuticals on the black market it is a risk. Don't attempt to get results on fiddly little amounts for months, hit it, grow, consolidate - then do it all again, and again.

Anonymous

I defintely am a worrier. I believe everyone is worried about many things especially when they try steroids for the first time.
Since this post I have stated that I do not believe Dbol should be used by a first timer at all. If anything it could be used in a style like many are doing now to 'bridge' between their courses which is 10mgs/d taken all at once. This is a good read:

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cortisone by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens increase neuro-muscular function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when testosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulin levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

I do however think that a first timer should either use the above for a period of time or pyramid an oral only cycle of OT, Var, Winny, Furazabol, or similar for sure.
It is an old hat regimen I agree. Beyond a first timer it has little benefits.
I was adivsed to do exactly this on my first course of winny orals from Zambon (2mgs) over 10 weeks (246810108642) A highly effective 'fiddly' amount.
I gained 2 stone and found out, thankfully mildly, that I had a problem with headaches, Blood pressure and a 5AR deficiency.

Bodybuilding culture, competitive bodybuilding and the like are just small elements of worldwide steroid usage today. Years ago there used to be a 'brotherhood of iron' who focused on competing, mass, and the best bench-press. They were the only ones using/selling steroids back then. An anarchic bunch often seen consuming large doses and living in denial of health risks and the implications of it all. Out of my elusive group (Slough 1991, 10 of us) three are not here anymore, five look like old men that dont even train now due to aches, pains and excuses.

I'll always advise anyone to take it easy with any powerful drug. Dont rely on the steroids to make your muscle, a simple push is all they should provide. Long live longevity. And mobile sperm.

Anonymous

So, giving it some thought on what's been said, How about this for a first timer:

day 1-14 20-40 mgs/d Turinabol or Winstrol
day 15-28 10 mgs/d am Dbol dose
Assess- feelings, weight gain, strength gain, sleeping pattern etc.
Decide- What to do now.
Stop and decide they are not for you. In which case there has been little disruption of HPTA. Est. 90% of people 80-90% recovered by day 28??

Decide to go forward - injection time

Its like a small test to see how you respond at first, not using injections straight away (fear factor). And gives a good base to begin with re: response.
Also helps answer the questions most common.

what do you think?