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Old 10-09-2004, 10:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by David
I defintely am a worrier. I believe everyone is worried about many things especially when they try steroids for the first time.
Since this post I have stated that I do not believe Dbol should be used by a first timer at all. If anything it could be used in a style like many are doing now to 'bridge' between their courses which is 10mgs/d taken all at once. This is a good read:

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cortisone by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens increase neuro-muscular function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when testosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulin levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

I do however think that a first timer should either use the above for a period of time or pyramid an oral only cycle of OT, Var, Winny, Furazabol, or similar for sure.
It is an old hat regimen I agree. Beyond a first timer it has little benefits.
I was adivsed to do exactly this on my first course of winny orals from Zambon (2mgs) over 10 weeks (246810108642) A highly effective 'fiddly' amount.
I gained 2 stone and found out, thankfully mildly, that I had a problem with headaches, Blood pressure and a 5AR deficiency.

Bodybuilding culture, competitive bodybuilding and the like are just small elements of worldwide steroid usage today. Years ago there used to be a 'brotherhood of iron' who focused on competing, mass, and the best bench-press. They were the only ones using/selling steroids back then. An anarchic bunch often seen consuming large doses and living in denial of health risks and the implications of it all. Out of my elusive group (Slough 1991, 10 of us) three are not here anymore, five look like old men that dont even train now due to aches, pains and excuses.

I'll always advise anyone to take it easy with any powerful drug. Dont rely on the steroids to make your muscle, a simple push is all they should provide. Long live longevity. And mobile sperm.


BUMP.

I believe this coined the phrase.

" Dbol - Breakfast of Champions " Arnold Schwarzenegger

Although it was first introduced in the 1960's well before Arnold was on the scene, he made the phrase famous when he said it to a reported that was interviewing him.

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Old 10-09-2004, 10:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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I get asked, im sure you all do, so many times from newbies that dont want to inject but want to try them out orally. Rather than using M1T, which must be as hepatoxic as most orals, why not try the dbol brekkie. I like it.... :mrgreen:
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damn.......that speech gets around dont it!Fonzs` if i remember rightly??

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