To cut or to bulk...that is the question!

Mr.V · 23-08-2005, 06:06 PM

Sup guys, just joined this site and trying to sort out a couple of things to get me started...

currently i'm 6ft tall and just under 15 stone, i would say i'm naturally pretty big boned and have put on some mass from the on and off stuff i've done before , reason i say this is because 6ft and 15 stone just sounds plain overweight! . My goal is to put on more mass and just build my overall physique BUT i'm currently 20% BF and i'm lost as to whether to start off trying to lose some of this seeing as bulking would mean i'd be moving up the 20's (can't be good?)

OR

I just start on a mass gaining routine and clean diet and cut later seeing as my focus is putting on the mass?

See if you can help me out guys

DarkAngel · 23-08-2005, 06:12 PM

Hi mate,

Being tall your best bet would be too add more mass,once that accomplished you can start and slowly cut up.

But most important thing imo is get the size first

Mr.V · 23-08-2005, 06:20 PM

thanks for the speedy reply mate

thats good then as thats the bit i wanted to start off focusing on (don't we all!)

do you think this routine will be ok for my stats?...its from a sticky on muscletalk

SATURDAY - Chest/Tri
5 Min warm-up
Dumbell Flat Bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps
Weighted Dips For Chest - 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Incline Dumbell Fly- 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure) (Lay so head is at the top of the bench)
Skull Crushers - 3 sets 6-8 reps (or close grip bench press)
overhead cable presses 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail) (or close grip bench presses)

SUNDAY - Back/Bi
5 min warm-up
Deadlifts 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure)
Bent Over One Arm Dumbell Rows 4 sets 6-8 reps
Lat pulldowns 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail)
(I would prefer you to do chins instead though if you are strong enough to lift your bodyweight)
Barbell Bicep curl 3 sets 6-8 reps
One arm Dumbell Hammer curls 3 sets 6-8 reps

MONDAY
REST & Cardio (30 mins swimming before brekkie approx 40 lengths)

TUESDAY - Delts/traps
5 min warm-up
Seated Dumbell military press (Sit on Bench while executing) - 3 sets 6-8 reps
Lateral dumbell raises (side) 3 sets 6-8 reps (last to fail)
Barbell Shrugs 5 sets 6-8 reps

WEDNESDAY
REST & Cardio (30 mins swimming b4 brekkie)

THURSDAY - Legs & Abs
5 min warm-up
Barbell Squats 4 sets 6-8 reps
Stiff Legged Dead Lifts 3 sets 6-8 reps
Calf Raises 4 sets 8-10 reps (last set to fail)
Weighted Swiss Ball crunches 4 sets 6-8 reps
hanging leg raises 4 sets 6-8 reps
Dumbell side bends 3 sets 6-8 reps

FRIDAY
REST & Cardio (30 mins swim b4 brekkie)

all help appreciated!

DarkAngel · 23-08-2005, 06:24 PM

yea routine looks ok bro although i personally do 3 working sets.

But yeah go for it and eat big bro!!

Mr.V · 23-08-2005, 09:58 PM

cool, will do!

LURCHERMAN · 23-08-2005, 11:44 PM

HI GUYS I HAVE JUST JOINED THIS SITE AND AM GOING TO START TRAINING HARD I WANT TO GET RIPPED UP BEFORE I BULK UP AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING

BigDaddy · 24-08-2005, 08:12 AM

What you mean LURCHERMAN are you doing the right thing, you havin told us what you are doing :?

DarkAngel · 24-08-2005, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LURCHERMAN

HI GUYS I HAVE JUST JOINED THIS SITE AND AM GOING TO START TRAINING HARD I WANT TO GET RIPPED UP BEFORE I BULK UP AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING

Hi mate,

Depends on your size, bf etc.

Generally if you feel your bf is too high like 20%+ you may want to cut but if its under that i would bulk first and build the muscle and diet gentley to maintain the newly aquired muscle.
If you cut first u will look quiet small if u have not aquired a base line muscled frame

just my 2 cents

jackamo · 24-08-2005, 09:26 PM

dnt mean 2 go away off your topic but as this post is 2 do wiv 2 bulk or 2 cut, for some reason im putting on weight and still get bigger and stronger but im geting fully cut and the same time aswell any ideas 2 y this has happend?

razg · 24-08-2005, 11:57 PM

It's up to you man. If you feel unhappy with your weight at the moment, this could potentially get worse. If your size is cool with you, and being a bit bigger is no worries, then bulk up!

If however you think the extra pounds will make you feel worse about yourself, i'd say get cut, and then add the muscle.

I understand your position pretty well, i'm in my first cut ever, and i'm feeling a lot happier the further i go.

Follow ya feelings!

Raz

23-08-2005, 06:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mr.V Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	To cut or to bulk...that is the question! Sup guys, just joined this site and trying to sort out a couple of things to get me started... currently i'm 6ft tall and just under 15 stone, i would say i'm naturally pretty big boned and have put on some mass from the on and off stuff i've done before , reason i say this is because 6ft and 15 stone just sounds plain overweight! . My goal is to put on more mass and just build my overall physique BUT i'm currently 20% BF and i'm lost as to whether to start off trying to lose some of this seeing as bulking would mean i'd be moving up the 20's (can't be good?) OR I just start on a mass gaining routine and clean diet and cut later seeing as my focus is putting on the mass? See if you can help me out guys

23-08-2005, 11:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
LURCHERMAN Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12 Rep Power:	HI GUYS I HAVE JUST JOINED THIS SITE AND AM GOING TO START TRAINING HARD I WANT TO GET RIPPED UP BEFORE I BULK UP AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING ______________________ DA MAN

24-08-2005, 08:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
BigDaddy Making Progress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Derry/N.Ireland Posts: 159 Rep Power:	What you mean LURCHERMAN are you doing the right thing, you havin told us what you are doing :? ______________________ I see my body as an instrument, rather than an ornament. Mod @ www.hardcoremuscle.co.uk Mod @ www.hardgainer.co.uk email - bigdaddy@hardcoremuscle.co.uk

24-08-2005, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
jackamo Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 430 Rep Power:	dnt mean 2 go away off your topic but as this post is 2 do wiv 2 bulk or 2 cut, for some reason im putting on weight and still get bigger and stronger but im geting fully cut and the same time aswell any ideas 2 y this has happend? ______________________ FEEL THE PAIN OR GO HOME!!!!

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

23-08-2005, 06:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
DarkAngel Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 331 Rep Power:	Hi mate, Being tall your best bet would be too add more mass,once that accomplished you can start and slowly cut up. But most important thing imo is get the size first

23-08-2005, 06:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mr.V Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	thanks for the speedy reply mate thats good then as thats the bit i wanted to start off focusing on (don't we all!) do you think this routine will be ok for my stats?...its from a sticky on muscletalk SATURDAY - Chest/Tri 5 Min warm-up Dumbell Flat Bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps Weighted Dips For Chest - 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure) Incline Dumbell Fly- 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure) (Lay so head is at the top of the bench) Skull Crushers - 3 sets 6-8 reps (or close grip bench press) overhead cable presses 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail) (or close grip bench presses) SUNDAY - Back/Bi 5 min warm-up Deadlifts 4 sets 6-8 reps (last set to failure) Bent Over One Arm Dumbell Rows 4 sets 6-8 reps Lat pulldowns 3 sets 6-8 reps (last set to fail) (I would prefer you to do chins instead though if you are strong enough to lift your bodyweight) Barbell Bicep curl 3 sets 6-8 reps One arm Dumbell Hammer curls 3 sets 6-8 reps MONDAY REST & Cardio (30 mins swimming before brekkie approx 40 lengths) TUESDAY - Delts/traps 5 min warm-up Seated Dumbell military press (Sit on Bench while executing) - 3 sets 6-8 reps Lateral dumbell raises (side) 3 sets 6-8 reps (last to fail) Barbell Shrugs 5 sets 6-8 reps WEDNESDAY REST & Cardio (30 mins swimming b4 brekkie) THURSDAY - Legs & Abs 5 min warm-up Barbell Squats 4 sets 6-8 reps Stiff Legged Dead Lifts 3 sets 6-8 reps Calf Raises 4 sets 8-10 reps (last set to fail) Weighted Swiss Ball crunches 4 sets 6-8 reps hanging leg raises 4 sets 6-8 reps Dumbell side bends 3 sets 6-8 reps FRIDAY REST & Cardio (30 mins swim b4 brekkie) all help appreciated!

23-08-2005, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
DarkAngel Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 331 Rep Power:	yea routine looks ok bro although i personally do 3 working sets. But yeah go for it and eat big bro!!

23-08-2005, 09:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mr.V Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power:	cool, will do!

24-08-2005, 11:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	It's up to you man. If you feel unhappy with your weight at the moment, this could potentially get worse. If your size is cool with you, and being a bit bigger is no worries, then bulk up! If however you think the extra pounds will make you feel worse about yourself, i'd say get cut, and then add the muscle. I understand your position pretty well, i'm in my first cut ever, and i'm feeling a lot happier the further i go. Follow ya feelings! Raz