Oats

Boarder · 30-01-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellaratt

Here's a couple of links I found that might be relavent to the conversation. 10 ? Quiz

Oats- I must admit Diet & Nutrition are not my strong-suit. I've learned tons in the last couple of minutes i've been ready . Keep the info flowing

thanks. read the second one earlier

and got 10 out of 10 in quiz (dont know how i guessed some of them lol)

so i can soak my oats in water overnight, stick in fridge, drain in morning and add new water? (im on a diet so i dont want any more sugar etc from milk) then add a scoop of whey and taste

?

plus, does hot water and oats taste like crap? or ok...?

Boarder · 30-01-2008, 09:26 PM

btw, thankyou everyone for your replys. this is a very active forum and i enjoy reading all your comments. swear i learn more on this site than i do at college!

Boarder · 30-01-2008, 09:48 PM

kind of answered my question:
Ive just sprinkled my Protein shake powder on to my porridge & mixed it,then cooked it-is this ok? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

Ironclad · 30-01-2008, 09:59 PM

I take it you're not using standard rolled porrige oats then? I've never heard of soaking overnight oats, you're not raiding a granary are you? hehe, only pulling your leg!
1k of scots oats 60p. 1min 20 in m/wave, yum

Gazz · 30-01-2008, 10:15 PM

I add a scoop of this to my pre-gym shake:

Ultra fine scottish oats - Carbohydrates | myprotein.co.uk

You don't want them in your post workout shake because the fibre in the Oats blocks protein absorbtion and if you've forked out for the finest Whey Isolates then your kind of throwing away your money.

With regards to rolled Oats that you have for breakfast i have 100g with cold milk and Australian honey,jeez i love it!They don't agree with everyones taste buds i know fella's but you can plonk all sorts on them,yoghurt,icecream(watch the calories though) honey.I've even added chocolate Nesquick in the past.

A good homemade muscle repair shake that i used to knock together in a blender consisted of:
100g rolled scottish oats
6 egg whites
1 peeled Banana
Handfull of Peacan nut halves
50g Blueberries or Strawberries

**Tall** · 30-01-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazz

You don't want them in your post workout shake because the fibre in the Oats blocks protein absorbtion and if you've forked out for the finest Whey Isolates then your kind of throwing away your money.

Now... Fibre will slow down the digestion of protein, as will fat.

However it could be suggested that using lower gi carbs PWO would be better as they wouldn't spike insulin so much (shock horror!!) and wouldn't as easily convert to triglycerides...

And it also could be suggested that that body will not be able to naturally shuttle all the aminos (from the protein) into the blood stream as fast as the supps companies tells us, and therefore the use of fibre to slow down the digestion would provide a constant slow release of aminos...

Gazz · 30-01-2008, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tall

Now... Fibre will slow down the digestion of protein, as will fat.

YES

However it could be suggested that using lower gi carbs PWO would be better as they wouldn't spike insulin so much (shock horror!!) and wouldn't as easily convert to triglycerides...

YES

And it also could be suggested that that body will not be able to naturally shuttle all the aminos (from the protein) into the blood stream as fast as the supps companies tells us, and therefore the use of fibre to slow down the digestion would provide a constant slow release of aminos...

You could be onto something.But what has led you to 'suggest' that the human body is'nt able to absorb all the amino's into the blood stream as fast as the Supplement companies tell us?

razg · 31-01-2008, 12:21 AM

Cooking will not harm protein - the process by which egg whites turn from liquid into solid is technically denaturing, but that only improves their absorbtion.

Gazz · 31-01-2008, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razg

Cooking will not harm protein - the process by which egg whites turn from liquid into solid is technically denaturing, but that only improves their absorbtion.

So a cooked egg white enter's the body 'better' or 'faster' than a liquid egg white?

razg · 31-01-2008, 01:56 PM

Yes, more is absorbed, less excreted, having cooked the egg first. The chemical structure of egg protein is not easy to digest, and the heat process breaks down the disulphide bridges which aids digestion. The increased bioavailibility has been demonstrated in multiple papers.

Quote:

Amount and fate of egg protein escaping assimilation in the small intestine of humans.

Evenepoel P, Claus D, Geypens B, Hiele M, Geboes K, Rutgeerts P, Ghoos Y.

Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology, Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Louvain, Belgium.

Studies attempting to evaluate protein assimilation in humans have hitherto relied on either ileostomy subjects or intubation techniques. The availability of stable isotope-labeled protein allowed us to determine the amount and fate of dietary protein escaping digestion and absorption in the small intestine of healthy volunteers using noninvasive tracer techniques. Ten healthy volunteers were studied once after ingestion of a cooked test meal, consisting of 25 g of (13)C-, (15)N-, and (2)H-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same but raw meal. Amounts of 5.73% and 35.10% (P < 0.005) of cooked and raw test meal, respectively, escaped digestion and absorption in the small intestine. A significantly higher percentage of the malabsorbed raw egg protein was recovered in urine as fermentation metabolites. These results 1) confirm that substantial amounts of even easily digestible proteins may escape assimilation in healthy volunteers and 2) further support the hypothesis that the metabolic fate of protein in the colon is affected by the amount of protein made available.

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Digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein in humans as assessed by stable isotope techniques.

Evenepoel P, Geypens B, Luypaerts A, Hiele M, Ghoos Y, Rutgeerts P.

Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology and Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Leuven, Belgium.

Egg proteins contribute substantially to the daily nitrogen allowances in Western countries and are generally considered to be highly digestible. However, information is lacking on the true ileal digestibility of either raw or cooked egg protein. The recent availability of stable isotope-labeled egg protein allowed determination of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein by means of noninvasive tracer techniques. Five ileostomy patients were studied, once after ingestion of a test meal consisting of 25 g of cooked 13C- and 15N-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same test meal in raw form. Ileal effluents and breath samples were collected at regular intervals after consumption of the test meal and analyzed for 15N- and 13C-content, respectively. The true ileal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9 +/- 0.8 and 51.3 +/- 9.8%, respectively. A significant negative correlation (r = -0.92, P < 0.001) was found between the 13C-recovery in breath and the recovery of exogenous N in the ileal effluents. In summary, using the 15N-dilution technique we demonstrated that the assimilation of cooked egg protein is efficient, albeit incomplete, and that the true ileal digestibility of egg protein is significantly enhanced by heat-pretreatment. A simple 13C-breath test technique furthermore proved to be a suitable alternative for the evaluation of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein.

30-01-2008, 09:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
Boarder Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Posts: 113 Rep Power:	Re: Oats btw, thankyou everyone for your replys. this is a very active forum and i enjoy reading all your comments. swear i learn more on this site than i do at college!

30-01-2008, 09:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Boarder Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Posts: 113 Rep Power:	Re: Oats kind of answered my question: Ive just sprinkled my Protein shake powder on to my porridge & mixed it,then cooked it-is this ok? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

30-01-2008, 09:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ironclad Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: saff of England Posts: 121 Rep Power:	Re: Oats I take it you're not using standard rolled porrige oats then? I've never heard of soaking overnight oats, you're not raiding a granary are you? hehe, only pulling your leg! 1k of scots oats 60p. 1min 20 in m/wave, yum

30-01-2008, 10:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
Gazz Sweat means effort! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 643 Rep Power:	Re: Oats I add a scoop of this to my pre-gym shake: Ultra fine scottish oats - Carbohydrates \| myprotein.co.uk You don't want them in your post workout shake because the fibre in the Oats blocks protein absorbtion and if you've forked out for the finest Whey Isolates then your kind of throwing away your money. With regards to rolled Oats that you have for breakfast i have 100g with cold milk and Australian honey,jeez i love it!They don't agree with everyones taste buds i know fella's but you can plonk all sorts on them,yoghurt,icecream(watch the calories though) honey.I've even added chocolate Nesquick in the past. A good homemade muscle repair shake that i used to knock together in a blender consisted of: 100g rolled scottish oats 6 egg whites 1 peeled Banana Handfull of Peacan nut halves 50g Blueberries or Strawberries ______________________ "Practice puts brains in your muscles"

31-01-2008, 12:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
razg Legend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham/Bristol Posts: 886 Rep Power:	Re: Oats Cooking will not harm protein - the process by which egg whites turn from liquid into solid is technically denaturing, but that only improves their absorbtion.

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