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Old 28-01-2008, 05:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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saying look at my avvy - what more evidence do you need?
aint cool bud.
this aint the place for personal comments either...
as certain dudes found out.

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Old 28-01-2008, 11:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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saying look at my avvy - what more evidence do you need?
aint cool bud.
this aint the place for personal comments either...
as certain dudes found out.
I'm not getting into this girls toilet style bickering sorry Cal.I knew that my post would be jumped on,probably by some supercilious,egotistical know-it-all and i don't remember calling anyone an illiterate idiot that throws tantrums and thumps his chest so i'm not really the one you should be scalding for making personal comments.

What i wrote was fundamentally basic with regards to nutrition and pretty much common knowledge to all,even the beginners i know are aware.To say that it was proofless rubbish based on my own opinion was just a bitter and arrogant remark to make,with no thought or justification.

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Gazz thankyou for my post. atleast i read it, took it in and appreciated the post! always looking for helpfull posts like this. thanks
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Gazz thankyou for my post. atleast i read it, took it in and appreciated the post! always looking for helpfull posts like this. thanks
You are very welcome Boarder.I take great pleasure and enjoyment from being able to help people and share my experiences.Thats why i do it for a living.

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Old 31-01-2008, 12:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Do you not think its rather ironic that in a post in which you state you are 'not going to get into this girls toilet sytle bickering' the next sentence is 'I knew that my post would be jumped on, probably by some supercilious, egotistical know-it-all.'

Also bitter seemed a random word to just throw in there? And this part just makes no sense

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(I am not even a student anymore)

I rest my case!'

What case? The fact that Raz is no longer a student having finished his degree makes him a wanker? You are also no longer a student having finished your degree...

All statements are proofless unless you provide proof. Your avatar isn't substantial proof of any individual aspect of anything you say. Your proof is between 14 and 11 years out of date based on your degree.

Chill out. Don't accuse someone of being a know it all then have a hissy fit when someone questions the validity of some of your posts, as that implies you believe you know it all. Its hypocritical.

Save the test for the gym.

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Old 31-01-2008, 01:56 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Do you not think its rather ironic that in a post in which you state you are 'not going to get into this girls toilet sytle bickering' the next sentence is 'I knew that my post would be jumped on, probably by some supercilious, egotistical know-it-all.'
No!

And i'm not!

Here's the definition of Irony for you:

Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says and what is generally understood (either at the time, or in the later context of history). Irony may also arise from a discordance between acts and results, especially if it is striking, and seen by an outside audience. Irony is understood as an aesthetic evaluation by an audience, which relies on a sharp discordance between the real and the ideal, and which is variously applied to texts, speech, events, acts, and even fashion. All the different senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity, or a gap between an understanding of reality, or expectation of a reality, and what actually happens.
Irony threatens authoritative models of discourse by "removing the semantic security of ‘one signifier: one signified irony has some of its foundation in the onlooker’s perception of paradox which arises from insoluble problems.
The connection between irony and humour is somewhat revealed when an expected result of an action does not occur but is instead a surprise that startles us into laughter. However, not all irony is humorous: “grim irony” and “stark irony” are familiar.

It might be in your best interests to look up the definition of 'Hypocracy' too.And how to spell 'Style'!

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Old 31-01-2008, 09:21 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Before a gym session you need a low fat,high carb,protein moderate meal.It needs to be low in fat and fibre,because these are though for your body to break down.They will force blood to your digestive system,which means less blood and oygen to your muscles.You need the carbs for fuel but avoid high glycemic index (GI) carbs before training as these cause an insulin spike - a sudden rush of of energy,then a big drop in blood sugar which depletes your energy.Low GI Carbs,like those in wholemeal and wholegrain are realeased much slower to provide a prolonged supple of energy.

The best time to eat your pre gym meal is 2+ hours before your session.As well as minimising the risk of throwing it up over your lap as you sit upright from your last bench press,it also allows your digestive system enough time to break down the necessary components from the meal for muscle building.Your body is more likely to convert protein in to muscle if its already in your system before physical activity.Low GI carb and protein combo's like jacket potato and baked beans make a good,simple pre gym meal.And crucial to the successful conversion from meal to muscle is the amount you pile on your plate.You don't need huge amounts of pre gym protein to create muscle.Don't exceed 20g to 30g in your pre gym meal.Eat more and the excess protein won't buld your muscles,it'll just disappear down the U-bend!
I dont agree with a few points here

1. I would say that Jacket potato and baked beans is a more High GI meal as baked beans are quite high in sugar. Also such a meal would not be used in a workout as fuel as glycogen replenishment takes a numebr of hours.

An exception to this would be a serving of WMS/Malto/Vitargo. Vitargo is my choice as it enters the system very fast and I have got better results than with WMS. Although I know they are all chemically similar I just get better results with Vitargo.

2. I think 2 hours is a long time to leave before training. Although I agree that you dont want too much food prior to training I have had excellent results with utilising a pre workout (1 hour prior) drink of 60g Vitargo and 60g Whey Isolate. This has definately helped with my training output and recovery and is one of the favoured nutirtional strategies of several of the top athletes in the USA as well as the UK. Milos Sarcev and Dave Palumbo both advocate this approach.

What you've said is quite sound and I dont think it deserves the derision received from others but it is flawed slightly when you take into account new nutritional advances.

Good advice for beginners none the less.

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Raz, you have an affinity for questioning people and their opinions but I don't see you suggesting an alternative to what they've written, even if it is just to play Devils advocate and provoke a discussion or just as an alternative to show there is more than one way to do something.

Posts like "This is a rather questionable set of opinions, to say the least." may be your own thoughts but without an explanation why all they do is undermine the original poster and in turn discourage people from posting for fear of being scorned by someone with no alternative to what they've written. I think replies like this are negative and detract from the board.

If someone has posted something which is factually incorrect would it not be better to say "I disagree because.........................." and explain why you disagree so the original poster can possibly re-think what he wrote and possibly learn something new and everyone elso who would have followed the original advice can benefit from the updated information being posted to correct the original post.

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I would say that Jacket potato and baked beans is a more High GI meal as baked beans are quite high in sugar.

What you've said is quite sound and I dont think it deserves the derision received from others but it is flawed slightly when you take into account new nutritional advances.

Good advice for beginners none the less.
Thank you Tom.

My post was aimed at beginner's and it was basic advise to help them overcome any problem's they may be experiencing with regards to lack of energy/strength pre-workout.People without access to new supplements and other 'nutritional advances'.

And i forgot the mention that low sugar,low salt baked beans are available from all good Supermarket's.

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Raz, you have an affinity for questioning people and their opinions but I don't see you suggesting an alternative to what they've written, even if it is just to play Devils advocate and provoke a discussion or just as an alternative to show there is more than one way to do something.

Posts like "This is a rather questionable set of opinions, to say the least." may be your own thoughts but without an explanation why all they do is undermine the original poster and in turn discourage people from posting for fear of being scorned by someone with no alternative to what they've written. I think replies like this are negative and detract from the board.

If someone has posted something which is factually incorrect would it not be better to say "I disagree because.........................." and explain why you disagree so the original poster can possibly re-think what he wrote and possibly learn something new and everyone elso who would have followed the original advice can benefit from the updated information being posted to correct the original post.

And, "can't we all just get along?".
Doug, you are absolutely correct, I do like to provoke discussion, and you would be correct in that my original posts were excessively pointed. With that said, I did address some of the problems I have with the material presented, none of which were answered in a straight fashion. Similarly none of YG's points were addressed, the issue was sidestepped and turned into a copy/paste match - there's no point entering into discussion when the other side just ignores the points they don't like the sound of, and takes a tangent.
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