Clens and coffee

Ali M · 21-11-2006, 02:08 PM

When taking clens, does taking coffee have an effect on them, basically would it be better to take a shed load of black coffee throughout the day with your clens.

Would this speed things up any. thanks

**LeeB** · 21-11-2006, 04:53 PM

lol.. i wouldnt reccomend it!

**Bodyworks** · 21-11-2006, 04:55 PM

is clen not providing the effect you wanted ?

Nick500 · 21-11-2006, 06:21 PM

i wouldn't take clens myself... shown to cause heart damage (many well respected board members over at uk-muscle including tatanya back this up) - but each to his own.

**Bodyworks** · 21-11-2006, 07:12 PM

the logic and science behind the link between heart problems and clen is well established, but the same must also apply to ephedrine usage, something that is often overlooked. if you're worried about using clen, stay off eph too.

**Neil R** · 21-11-2006, 07:55 PM

Taking caffeine with clenbuterol will give a synergistic effect just like taking caffeine with Ephedrine.
Scientifically speaking, Clen is safer on the heart than Ephedrine as the ratio of Beta 1,2 & 3 receptors that are stimulated with clen are more in favour of muscle tissue (hence the shaking) and less cardiac tissue as is the case with Clen.
Basically Beta 1 receptors are located in cardiac tissue,
Beta 2 are located in muscle tissue
& Beta 3 are located in adipose tissue (fat).

Clen is an almost pure Beta 2 antagonist where as ephedrine is a high Beta 1 & 2 and low beta 3. However Synephrine is a pure Beta 3.
Theoretically just taking Synephrine should burn pure fat and leave you shredded with no side effects.!!!

Unfortunately not :x , as it is the synergism between the 3 types of receptors that give the potency for fat burning. Scientists are working on the correct ratio still....
I personnally would recommend EITHER
100mcg Clen EOD
+ [(400mg Synephrine + 200mg Caffeine) 2 times day approx 8 hrs apart] ED

OR

30mg Ephedrine + 400mg Synephrine + 200mg caffeine
Taken twice a day approx 8 Hours apart ie- 7am & 3pm.

This is not carved in stone or a guarenteed formula, just my personal opinion based on the scientific literature I have seen.
You may wish to experiment with the rations of each to find what works best for you.

Ali M · 22-11-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodyworks

is clen not providing the effect you wanted ?

The clen seems to be working fine, but just wanted to see if taken with coffee if it increases it ability to be better.

Ive got just 3 weeks left on my course then I start PCT ill carry on running the clens to the end of PCT then ill have at least 2 months off, I think my next stack will be at the end of March, however, it may not be needed if I feel I have reached my objective.

Neil, thank you ever so much for the advise mate.

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Bodyworks Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: west yorkshire Posts: 984 Rep Power:	the logic and science behind the link between heart problems and clen is well established, but the same must also apply to ephedrine usage, something that is often overlooked. if you're worried about using clen, stay off eph too.

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Neil R Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 688 Rep Power:	Taking caffeine with clenbuterol will give a synergistic effect just like taking caffeine with Ephedrine. Scientifically speaking, Clen is safer on the heart than Ephedrine as the ratio of Beta 1,2 & 3 receptors that are stimulated with clen are more in favour of muscle tissue (hence the shaking) and less cardiac tissue as is the case with Clen. Basically Beta 1 receptors are located in cardiac tissue, Beta 2 are located in muscle tissue & Beta 3 are located in adipose tissue (fat). Clen is an almost pure Beta 2 antagonist where as ephedrine is a high Beta 1 & 2 and low beta 3. However Synephrine is a pure Beta 3. Theoretically just taking Synephrine should burn pure fat and leave you shredded with no side effects.!!! Unfortunately not :x , as it is the synergism between the 3 types of receptors that give the potency for fat burning. Scientists are working on the correct ratio still.... I personnally would recommend EITHER 100mcg Clen EOD + [(400mg Synephrine + 200mg Caffeine) 2 times day approx 8 hrs apart] ED OR 30mg Ephedrine + 400mg Synephrine + 200mg caffeine Taken twice a day approx 8 Hours apart ie- 7am & 3pm. This is not carved in stone or a guarenteed formula, just my personal opinion based on the scientific literature I have seen. You may wish to experiment with the rations of each to find what works best for you.