Timing for AM Training.?

Chell · 02-10-2006, 01:50 PM

Appreciate if someone in the know could have a look at my timings for morning nutrition.

I would also like to know if it is ok to take the BSN NO Xplode and USN ZMA at these times together?....tub says 30-45min before training on an empty stomach? so I have left 45min from my first meal?

The links are just for your reference on my chosen supps..Eplode my first time I have used and ZMA.I have used before.

http://www.affordablesupplements.co....oducts_id=2188

http://www.affordablesupplements.co....roducts_id=902

Rise at 5.50am

6am.
500ml water blended with
1 scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 1xtblsp P-Butter, 30g Oats.

6.45am.
2 Scoops BSN Xplode
4 caps USN ZMA

7.15am
Workout

8.15am
PWO
500ml water blended with
1.5 Scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 3xblsp Honey, 30g oats

9.30am
Solid meal
Multi Vit
1000mg Vit C
800mg Calcium

12.30
Solid Meal

3.30
Solid Meal

6.30
Solid Meal

9.30
Shake
Multi Vit

10.00
4 Caps ZMA

Thankyou for your time

**LeeB** · 02-10-2006, 03:07 PM

everyone is different.. but personally when i train in the morning i will have my breakfast meal as my last meal the night before...

this way all of the carbs are processed and ready to be used as energy the next morning... training so early chances are your breakfast wont be fully digested.... and considering your body has technically been in a "fasting" state all night.. its good to have those carbs absorbed...

i do this:

LAST MEAL NIGHT BEFORE = USUAL BREAKFAST MEAL

BREAKFAST = usual pre training meal

POST TRAINING = usual post training meal

NEXT MEAL = USUAL BREAKFAST MEAL

this for me ensures i have all nutrients and energy in my body to both complete my hard training and face the day ahead!

its fine to take the two supps together, ive never used NO explode... so cant comment too much.. i use zma every day but only before bed to increase sleep quality.. dont think its much use for anything else... pre training branch chain aminos are more beneficial!

hope this helps!

Nidge · 02-10-2006, 08:07 PM

I'm and early trainer 6.30am.

My day get's off like this.

4.45am Get up, 100grms of oats with raisins and banana plus protien shake.

6.30am Gym

7.15 protien shake.

10am 2 wholemeal bread cakes with tuna and low fat mayo and a apple.

1pm protien shake plus 2 chicken breasts with pasta and salad.

3pm 3 rice cakes with quark and garlic.

5pm Turkey rashers with veggies and a baked spud.

7pm go for a run for 30 minutes.

8pm protien shake.

10pm chicken sandwich with an apple.

crazycal1 · 02-10-2006, 11:45 PM

what lee says make perfect sense,but personally i need to eat before training,so i reckon what youre doing now seems fine.

Chell · 03-10-2006, 09:39 AM

Ok thanks for all you views, this has been on my mind since I started morning training and I must say I prefer it due to being so quiet in the gym.

Know Lee.

I took on board what you said when I read your post last night.

Before bed I had my normal shake but with a little 30g oats blended as you suggested. Felt a bit uneasy about consuming carbs so late in the evening as I tend to reduce them after 6:30 so went for 30g lol.

On rising I had 500ml water, 1 tblsp P-butter and 1 scoop of elite blended at 6am.

Then my Explode and ZMA at 6.45 as usual...I did feel a little more alert this morning maybe the explode store in my body is more now I have been taking it for 5days or the lack of digestion going on? I'm not sure but felt ok TBH.

Well I was quite surprised that my energy levels were basically the same after such a small meal.

Lee the tub on the ZMA says 4 tabs 30 min before training and another 4 tabs before bed both on an empty stomach.

I have taken ZMA before, think it was biotest and that was stated before bed only....so just following the label there.

My current ones are by USN and I had a nice wet dream last night so they must be working

ops:

didn't tell the wife though !!

Nothing tried, nothing gained I suppose!

Nidge.

Thanks for sharing your plan mate,..looks very similar with the timing of my meals from pre to workout.

Crazy

Think I will give Lees idea ago and see how I get on.....still a bit worried about the carbs before bed.....just because I have always followed the principal of no carbs before bed.

crazycal1 · 03-10-2006, 10:31 AM

i wouldnt worry about carbs before bed-i eat massive meals last thing-
it makes me tired so i can sleep!
on a purely personal level - i need food before i train.(i`d feel sick if i didnt)

**LeeB** · 03-10-2006, 12:31 PM

chell... best way to get around the worry about the carbs before bed is to explain it to yourself..

1 - why no carbs before bed?

2 - why would taking carbs at say 10pm and training say 12 hours later... be any different from taking carbs at 6am and training 12 hours later??

normally i would not suggest having a high carb meal at bedtime.. BUT if teh energy is needed in the morning then you have to have the carbs inside you to train... because taking one meal of carbs in an hour or so before training will NOT give your body enough readily available fuel to train fully!

ive seen it time and time again.. and experienced it myself... almost every time someone does this (not enough food digested whilst training in mornings) it results in either the shakes during training or after the post workout meal!

Chell · 03-10-2006, 02:42 PM

ok I see where you are coming from Lee,....Sorry but I just want to get this right as I am quite new to training in the morning.

So going from my first post above....how does this look??

day before

6.30
Solid Meal

9.30
Shake blended with oats and EFA...(CARBS NOW ADDED)
Multi Vit

10.00
4 Caps ZMA

SLEEP

6am.
500ml water blended with 1 scoop Elite Whey....(CARBS NOW REMOVED)

6.45am.
2 Scoops BSN Xplode
4 caps USN ZMA

7.15am
Workout

8.15am
PWO
500ml water blended with
1.5 Scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 3xblsp Honey, 30g oats

9.30am
Solid meal
Multi Vit
1000mg Vit C
800mg Calcium

....and so on.

Yes,...

....and the whey just with water at 6am as carbs were consumed PM the night before.

Be gentle with me and I appreciate ya help and patience..lol

**LeeB** · 03-10-2006, 03:00 PM

looks good to me.. give it a try for a week or so and see how you respond... you could if you want take in a small amount of carbs at breakfast... and even some sugary carbs before training to give you a little extra boost if you feel you need it!

dont be afraid of the suger.. as long as its not much your body will burn it as energy!

Chell · 03-10-2006, 03:23 PM

Great...I'm going to give this ago as of today.... and thanks for you help.

02-10-2006, 01:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chell Under Construction Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24 Rep Power:	Timing for AM Training.? Appreciate if someone in the know could have a look at my timings for morning nutrition. I would also like to know if it is ok to take the BSN NO Xplode and USN ZMA at these times together?....tub says 30-45min before training on an empty stomach? so I have left 45min from my first meal? The links are just for your reference on my chosen supps..Eplode my first time I have used and ZMA.I have used before. http://www.affordablesupplements.co....oducts_id=2188 http://www.affordablesupplements.co....roducts_id=902 Rise at 5.50am 6am. 500ml water blended with 1 scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 1xtblsp P-Butter, 30g Oats. 6.45am. 2 Scoops BSN Xplode 4 caps USN ZMA 7.15am Workout 8.15am PWO 500ml water blended with 1.5 Scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 3xblsp Honey, 30g oats 9.30am Solid meal Multi Vit 1000mg Vit C 800mg Calcium 12.30 Solid Meal 3.30 Solid Meal 6.30 Solid Meal 9.30 Shake Multi Vit 10.00 4 Caps ZMA Thankyou for your time

02-10-2006, 03:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,003 Rep Power:	everyone is different.. but personally when i train in the morning i will have my breakfast meal as my last meal the night before... this way all of the carbs are processed and ready to be used as energy the next morning... training so early chances are your breakfast wont be fully digested.... and considering your body has technically been in a "fasting" state all night.. its good to have those carbs absorbed... i do this: LAST MEAL NIGHT BEFORE = USUAL BREAKFAST MEAL BREAKFAST = usual pre training meal POST TRAINING = usual post training meal NEXT MEAL = USUAL BREAKFAST MEAL this for me ensures i have all nutrients and energy in my body to both complete my hard training and face the day ahead! its fine to take the two supps together, ive never used NO explode... so cant comment too much.. i use zma every day but only before bed to increase sleep quality.. dont think its much use for anything else... pre training branch chain aminos are more beneficial! hope this helps! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

02-10-2006, 08:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nidge Making Progress Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mansfield Notts Posts: 193 Rep Power:	I'm and early trainer 6.30am. My day get's off like this. 4.45am Get up, 100grms of oats with raisins and banana plus protien shake. 6.30am Gym 7.15 protien shake. 10am 2 wholemeal bread cakes with tuna and low fat mayo and a apple. 1pm protien shake plus 2 chicken breasts with pasta and salad. 3pm 3 rice cakes with quark and garlic. 5pm Turkey rashers with veggies and a baked spud. 7pm go for a run for 30 minutes. 8pm protien shake. 10pm chicken sandwich with an apple. ______________________ Nidge

02-10-2006, 11:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,913 Rep Power:	what lee says make perfect sense,but personally i need to eat before training,so i reckon what youre doing now seems fine. ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk www.extremenutrition.co.uk

03-10-2006, 12:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,003 Rep Power:	chell... best way to get around the worry about the carbs before bed is to explain it to yourself.. 1 - why no carbs before bed? 2 - why would taking carbs at say 10pm and training say 12 hours later... be any different from taking carbs at 6am and training 12 hours later?? normally i would not suggest having a high carb meal at bedtime.. BUT if teh energy is needed in the morning then you have to have the carbs inside you to train... because taking one meal of carbs in an hour or so before training will NOT give your body enough readily available fuel to train fully! ive seen it time and time again.. and experienced it myself... almost every time someone does this (not enough food digested whilst training in mornings) it results in either the shakes during training or after the post workout meal! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

03-10-2006, 09:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chell Under Construction Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24 Rep Power:	Ok thanks for all you views, this has been on my mind since I started morning training and I must say I prefer it due to being so quiet in the gym. Know Lee. I took on board what you said when I read your post last night. Before bed I had my normal shake but with a little 30g oats blended as you suggested. Felt a bit uneasy about consuming carbs so late in the evening as I tend to reduce them after 6:30 so went for 30g lol. On rising I had 500ml water, 1 tblsp P-butter and 1 scoop of elite blended at 6am. Then my Explode and ZMA at 6.45 as usual...I did feel a little more alert this morning maybe the explode store in my body is more now I have been taking it for 5days or the lack of digestion going on? I'm not sure but felt ok TBH. Well I was quite surprised that my energy levels were basically the same after such a small meal. Lee the tub on the ZMA says 4 tabs 30 min before training and another 4 tabs before bed both on an empty stomach. I have taken ZMA before, think it was biotest and that was stated before bed only....so just following the label there. My current ones are by USN and I had a nice wet dream last night so they must be working ops: didn't tell the wife though !! Nothing tried, nothing gained I suppose! Nidge. Thanks for sharing your plan mate,..looks very similar with the timing of my meals from pre to workout. Crazy Think I will give Lees idea ago and see how I get on.....still a bit worried about the carbs before bed.....just because I have always followed the principal of no carbs before bed.

03-10-2006, 10:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
crazycal1 Illuminati Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,913 Rep Power:	i wouldnt worry about carbs before bed-i eat massive meals last thing- it makes me tired so i can sleep! on a purely personal level - i need food before i train.(i`d feel sick if i didnt)

03-10-2006, 02:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chell Under Construction Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24 Rep Power:	ok I see where you are coming from Lee,....Sorry but I just want to get this right as I am quite new to training in the morning. So going from my first post above....how does this look?? day before 6.30 Solid Meal 9.30 Shake blended with oats and EFA...(CARBS NOW ADDED) Multi Vit 10.00 4 Caps ZMA SLEEP 6am. 500ml water blended with 1 scoop Elite Whey....(CARBS NOW REMOVED) 6.45am. 2 Scoops BSN Xplode 4 caps USN ZMA 7.15am Workout 8.15am PWO 500ml water blended with 1.5 Scoop Elite, 1 Banana, 3xblsp Honey, 30g oats 9.30am Solid meal Multi Vit 1000mg Vit C 800mg Calcium ....and so on. Yes,... ....and the whey just with water at 6am as carbs were consumed PM the night before. Be gentle with me and I appreciate ya help and patience..lol

03-10-2006, 03:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,003 Rep Power:	looks good to me.. give it a try for a week or so and see how you respond... you could if you want take in a small amount of carbs at breakfast... and even some sugary carbs before training to give you a little extra boost if you feel you need it! dont be afraid of the suger.. as long as its not much your body will burn it as energy! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

03-10-2006, 03:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chell Under Construction Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24 Rep Power:	Great...I'm going to give this ago as of today.... and thanks for you help.

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