Dairy and water retention whilst cutting (again, sorry)

groovyguy · 08-01-2006, 03:52 PM

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but after doing some thinking, I have some more questions and the topic that I discussed this in is dead now.

Nick500 informed me about dairy products and water retention, and as I'm on a cut, it would be best to avoid, as my daily intake includes 300ml milk, 250g cottage cheese and 250g quark. The thing is, as after the cut I don't plan on cut and bulk cycles, I would rather stay at the same bf% and make slower gains - I basically don't want to live without dairy in my life as I'm a skint bastard and non-dairy alternatives are expensive apart from tuna and I don't want to have it every meal, so I'd rather just cut with the dairy (and I love Muller Lights

). I wanted to ask:

1) Not cutting the dairy doesn't make it harder to lose does it? It just makes me look softer? Is that right?
2) What about the water retention created by creatine? Wouldn't cutting out dairy be pointless when I'm back on CEE?
3) Diuretics; couldn't I just take diuretics such as cranberry juice or a lower calorie alternative?

Thanks for any info to a very confused guy!

Poom · 09-01-2006, 12:34 AM

Im confused to whether you know this or not already but CEE does not cause water retention.

Nick500 · 09-01-2006, 10:26 AM

creatine monohydrate causes water retention, not CEE

Nick

groovyguy · 09-01-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick500

creatine monohydrate causes water retention, not CEE

Nick

Oh? I know that CEE doesn't cause bloating but I thought that they all caused retention. In fact, I thought that causing extra water absorption in the muscles, making the fibres bigger and therefore able to lift more was one of the was that it worked. Well, if it doesn't cause retention, has anyone got any answers for the other 2 Qs?

Nick500 · 09-01-2006, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groovyguy

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but after doing some thinking, I have some more questions and the topic that I discussed this in is dead now.

Nick500 informed me about dairy products and water retention, and as I'm on a cut, it would be best to avoid, as my daily intake includes 300ml milk, 250g cottage cheese and 250g quark. The thing is, as after the cut I don't plan on cut and bulk cycles, I would rather stay at the same bf% and make slower gains - I basically don't want to live without dairy in my life as I'm a skint bastard and non-dairy alternatives are expensive apart from tuna and I don't want to have it every meal, so I'd rather just cut with the dairy (and I love Muller Lights

). I wanted to ask:

1) Not cutting the dairy doesn't make it harder to lose does it? It just makes me look softer? Is that right?

It makes you look softer, i think its just a property of milk solids to smooth you over. I suppose looking at it calorifically, it wouldnt stop your calorific daily deficit so theres no real reason why it would hold you back on weight loss though.

2) What about the water retention created by creatine? Wouldn't cutting out dairy be pointless when I'm back on CEE?

Water retention shouldnt be THAT much of a concern really on creatine, i would say that on CEE you will be alright. Yes the muscles are fuller due to more water intake but subcutaneous water won't increase significantly - i.e. just stay on cee.

3) Diuretics; couldn't I just take diuretics such as cranberry juice or a lower calorie alternative?

Why so bothered to shed the water? your not doing competitions...
Lose the fat and overall you will look leaner, if you needed to lose water desperately for a photo shoot or whatever, then yes you might want to resort to a diuretic, but they are arguably more dangerous than some of the potent roids and fat burners if used incorrectly (e.g. lasix removes a hell of a lot of water but at the same time causes a huge electrolyte imbalance)

Nick

Thanks for any info to a very confused guy!

groovyguy · 09-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick500

Quote:

Originally Posted by groovyguy

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but after doing some thinking, I have some more questions and the topic that I discussed this in is dead now.

Nick500 informed me about dairy products and water retention, and as I'm on a cut, it would be best to avoid, as my daily intake includes 300ml milk, 250g cottage cheese and 250g quark. The thing is, as after the cut I don't plan on cut and bulk cycles, I would rather stay at the same bf% and make slower gains - I basically don't want to live without dairy in my life as I'm a skint bastard and non-dairy alternatives are expensive apart from tuna and I don't want to have it every meal, so I'd rather just cut with the dairy (and I love Muller Lights

). I wanted to ask:

1) Not cutting the dairy doesn't make it harder to lose does it? It just makes me look softer? Is that right?

It makes you look softer, i think its just a property of milk solids to smooth you over. I suppose looking at it calorifically, it wouldnt stop your calorific daily deficit so theres no real reason why it would hold you back on weight loss though.

2) What about the water retention created by creatine? Wouldn't cutting out dairy be pointless when I'm back on CEE?

Water retention shouldnt be THAT much of a concern really on creatine, i would say that on CEE you will be alright. Yes the muscles are fuller due to more water intake but subcutaneous water won't increase significantly - i.e. just stay on cee.

3) Diuretics; couldn't I just take diuretics such as cranberry juice or a lower calorie alternative?

Why so bothered to shed the water? your not doing competitions...
Lose the fat and overall you will look leaner, if you needed to lose water desperately for a photo shoot or whatever, then yes you might want to resort to a diuretic, but they are arguably more dangerous than some of the potent roids and fat burners if used incorrectly (e.g. lasix removes a hell of a lot of water but at the same time causes a huge electrolyte imbalance)

Nick

Thanks for any info to a very confused guy!

Cheers mate, yet again you have answered all of my questions! The reason I was so paranoid about the water retention is 'cos of the info you gave me in this thread!

I think I'll stick with the dairy then, as I won't be bulking ever, and don't want to cut dairy from my life... especially if it's not necessary... plis t helps with coping to lose weight, which therefore makes my cut mre successful...

Stu21Ldn · 09-01-2006, 08:01 PM

CEE does cause bloating same as any other creatine.

***Extreme*** · 24-02-2006, 01:34 AM

CEE or monohydrate can cause bloating, it depends upon the individual.

Dairy produce can hinder your fat loss, 1 in 5 people are intolerant to milk whether they know it or not. If you are one of this 20% your body struggles to process the milk as it curdles in your gut then is slowly broken down, if you cannot process the milk properly your metabolic rate is slowed down as it struggles to digest what is in your gut causing a backlog and wind.

I know this is 100% correct as I am intolerant to milk and one of the people who has an input into Extreme products and that I learn from is a dietician who has to help people who tend to live on foods they don't agree with, getting them off all the crap we are told to eat from childhood and onto purer foods. When he manages this the differences can be astounding.

Poom · 24-02-2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu21Ldn

CEE does cause bloating same as any other creatine.

Where is your source on this ?

From what ive experienced and read everywhere, CEE does not cause bloating and water retention

***Extreme*** · 26-02-2006, 04:33 PM

There are people who are intolerant to everything on the planet from dairy produce to nuts to cotton, agreed?

There are people who react differently to creatines of all sorts too, any tests and studies done on CEE will be done on people who can tolerate the product as nobody would be granted ethical approval to run tests on someone who is having a degree of allergic reaction no matter how small.

Also when monohydrate first appeared did anyone shout from the rooftops it may cause bloating? I thought we all know not to believe everything we read, I own a supplement company and have access to a fair bit of info on a wide array of products many of which we don't produce for whatever reason, so when I see some of the literature that is released I cringe at the bullsh1t some companies pump out knowing it is not 100% true but a "version" or "degree" of truth.

08-01-2006, 03:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
groovyguy Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wakefield, UK Posts: 73 Rep Power:	Dairy and water retention whilst cutting (again, sorry) I'm sorry to bring this up again, but after doing some thinking, I have some more questions and the topic that I discussed this in is dead now. Nick500 informed me about dairy products and water retention, and as I'm on a cut, it would be best to avoid, as my daily intake includes 300ml milk, 250g cottage cheese and 250g quark. The thing is, as after the cut I don't plan on cut and bulk cycles, I would rather stay at the same bf% and make slower gains - I basically don't want to live without dairy in my life as I'm a skint bastard and non-dairy alternatives are expensive apart from tuna and I don't want to have it every meal, so I'd rather just cut with the dairy (and I love Muller Lights ). I wanted to ask: 1) Not cutting the dairy doesn't make it harder to lose does it? It just makes me look softer? Is that right? 2) What about the water retention created by creatine? Wouldn't cutting out dairy be pointless when I'm back on CEE? 3) Diuretics; couldn't I just take diuretics such as cranberry juice or a lower calorie alternative? Thanks for any info to a very confused guy!

09-01-2006, 12:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
Poom Making Progress Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 165 Rep Power:	Re: Dairy and water retention whilst cutting (again, sorry) Im confused to whether you know this or not already but CEE does not cause water retention.

09-01-2006, 10:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	creatine monohydrate causes water retention, not CEE Nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

24-02-2006, 01:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
*Extreme* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,349 Rep Power:	CEE or monohydrate can cause bloating, it depends upon the individual. Dairy produce can hinder your fat loss, 1 in 5 people are intolerant to milk whether they know it or not. If you are one of this 20% your body struggles to process the milk as it curdles in your gut then is slowly broken down, if you cannot process the milk properly your metabolic rate is slowed down as it struggles to digest what is in your gut causing a backlog and wind. I know this is 100% correct as I am intolerant to milk and one of the people who has an input into Extreme products and that I learn from is a dietician who has to help people who tend to live on foods they don't agree with, getting them off all the crap we are told to eat from childhood and onto purer foods. When he manages this the differences can be astounding. ______________________ www.extremenutrition.co.uk - 25% OFF FOR ALL MC MEMBERS, discount code MCD25. www.betterbodies.uk.com Seriously cheap sports nutrition! DYNALYNE, the strongest fat burner ever, ONLY £24.95!

26-02-2006, 04:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
*Extreme* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,349 Rep Power:	There are people who are intolerant to everything on the planet from dairy produce to nuts to cotton, agreed? There are people who react differently to creatines of all sorts too, any tests and studies done on CEE will be done on people who can tolerate the product as nobody would be granted ethical approval to run tests on someone who is having a degree of allergic reaction no matter how small. Also when monohydrate first appeared did anyone shout from the rooftops it may cause bloating? I thought we all know not to believe everything we read, I own a supplement company and have access to a fair bit of info on a wide array of products many of which we don't produce for whatever reason, so when I see some of the literature that is released I cringe at the bullsh1t some companies pump out knowing it is not 100% true but a "version" or "degree" of truth. ______________________ www.extremenutrition.co.uk - 25% OFF FOR ALL MC MEMBERS, discount code MCD25. www.betterbodies.uk.com Seriously cheap sports nutrition! DYNALYNE, the strongest fat burner ever, ONLY £24.95!

09-01-2006, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stu21Ldn Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 721 Rep Power:	CEE does cause bloating same as any other creatine.

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