Day Before Weigh-Ins

**LeeB** · 26-09-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by leglock

squatty relax mate theres no argument going on here just a difference of opinion it seems,and surely thats fine on a forum as if everybody agreed with everything everyone said it would pretty much come to a standstill surely.....in my opinion the fella really should have asked advice from a fight trainer as opposed to a bodybuilder....its a bit like a plasterer asking a chippy for advice about plastering a wall ! yes the chippy will more than likely know enough to give advice,but why not ask a good experienced plasterer,makes perfect sense surely.
ive seen a lot of bodybuilder types come into gyms before and dish out advice(not saying anyones doing this here by the way) and 9 times out of 10 its been advice based on their own sport which really has no relevance in fighting,the lad listening thinks the fella must know his stuff as he "looks the part"...yet in reality the advisor wouldnt last 3 minutes on the mat...for example what battlehawk was actually asking about,making weight for a fight, is an extremely important part of a fight,which again,would have absolutely no relevance to how a bodybuilder would eat,train or make weight...so this being of such importance i personally think the fella would benefit more from asking people who have to do this regularly,as opposed to bodybuilders.
of course there is going to be examples where a bodybuilder has gone into other fields,same as a plasterer might end up a brickie etc...on the whole tho it still doesnt make sense to me to ask advice from people outside of your own sport,just ask successful or knowledgable people in your own sport...and this works both ways

lol.. this is great... as you say leglock... no problem here bud.. nowt taken the wrong way!

as youll notice from the thread... i was very cagey about giving out direct advice to battlehawk.. as i understand any advice needs to be geared dierctly toward his own individual perspective.. which is why i suggested someone who may be closer to him and maybe he visits that person so he could get tailored advice! - as i didnt want to have a negative effect on his performance by me being misinformed in any way!

how do you know a bodybuilder cant have experience of offering fighters advice tho?? ive given good and helpful advice to a number of fighters in the past... both who compete in it as a sport.. and those who just do it for fun in the toon at the weekends!! and the advcie has always helped!

in my experience many people from all sports (including fighters) will approach bodybuilders for nutrition advice as the advice we can give usually comes from experience rather than text books... and there are quite a few things we are aware of that you wont find in ANY text books!

in all honesty legock.. and please dont take this the wrong way... i think your making a few too many assumptions as to what we have/have not got to offer... i know you may have seen many "bodybuilders" come into gyms and start dishing out advice in the past...... in my experience you wont find many real bodybuilders doing this.... just the pretend ones who are usually fat fcuks!

also, the advisor wouldnt last 3 minutes on the mat?????? another example of making assumptions on things you are totally uninformed about im afraid mate!!!

wigz · 26-09-2006, 12:47 PM

yeah ricky hatton trains with kerry at his gym and if im not mistaken he's actually in hatton's corner now when he fights.

battlehawk · 26-09-2006, 02:54 PM

Alright Fellas, Haven't been on for a few days, WOW what happened ???

Its all good, life would be pretty borin if we all agreed on everythin !! Gotta say tho I am really happy with the stright forward advice i'v been given n I feel more knowledgable and confident with regards to "A Day Before Weigh In".

This thread kinda reminds me of The Ultimate Fighter 3 show. In it one of the trainers, Ken Shamrock (a veteran n very very well respected MMA fighter n coach) chose to take a bodybuilder as his no.2. Many of the fighters were at a loss why he did this n refused to take on board the advice he offered, sayin his needs were different from theres. Yet some guys took the advice n swore by the results. Each to there own I say.

Cheers to the guys who've helped
Much Appreciated

**LeeB** · 26-09-2006, 03:32 PM

as with everything as battlehawk has said... alot is trial and error.. what works for one might not work for another... so its finding what works for you!

happy to help!

leglock · 26-09-2006, 03:35 PM

lee when you talk about assumptions ,i think you might have jumped to a few yourself...nowhere have i said a bodybuilder "cant" give advice about fighting or preparing for a fight...then again i never said a swimmer,rower or even a bus driver "cant" give advice....my point was,it makes most sense to me to ask advice from succesful people in your own sport...
i understand many bodybuilders have a good knowledge of nutrition in sport,BUT making weight for a fight is like nothing a bodybuilder ever has to deal with...so to ask your average bodybuilder specifically,well, you might as well ask a rower or a swimmer etc....
as for bodybuilders lasting 3 mins on the mat...well like i said im going from personal experience,i dont doubt that some would last 4 or even 5 minutes

but again,only going by what ive seen...all piss and no poke most of them.....no need to stick your chest out mate im only having a giggle

.... well mostly.

just to add...battlehawk you are right about that program...but also remember how many succesful top level yanks look to for help with their training....mark layman,who has never competed as a fighter in his life and is in general a poor physical specimen...but sure knows his shit when it comes to a fight...he brought out a video a few years back called " on the mat with mark layman " i never thought much of instructional videos but this one was tops....Evan Tanner who became middleweight world champ and was and is a great fighter,learned everything about fighting from this video,and rolling round with his mates,he is self taught!...so as much as diet and conditioning helps,we must never forget technique is everything and without we are nothing,no matter how great your diet is !

**LeeB** · 26-09-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by leglock

BUT making weight for a fight is like nothing a bodybuilder ever has to deal with...

on the contrary... 5 days before my last competition i was 12lbs over the weight limit for my class! :shock:

mind leglock... your an argumentative c*nt arent ya!!! lol... can you come round to my house and shout at my wife for a bit... lol... YOULL not last 3 minutes mate i tell ya!! shes lethal!!! haha

just joking with you bud!! nice to have 2 points of view and not have to worry about either taking offense! i can see all your points of view mate... but like to make my own too!

leglock · 26-09-2006, 05:58 PM

now listen brother....if i can last 5 minutes with my own mrs i guarentee i,ll last 10 with yours ! you gotta be an argumentative cxxt living with her i can tell you !!
i gotta say mate,ive noticed this time and before,you put up a good argument and make some valid points...dont agree with them but worth thinking about.
as regards making weight...i dont think shifting 12 pounds in 5 days can really compare with shifting 12 pounds in 24 hours which isnt unusual in this sport..and obviously certainly wouldnt be done the same way.
its good to have an opinion and listen to others,even if they are wrong

...take care...LL

**LeeB** · 27-09-2006, 09:44 AM

lol.. if i had needed to shift 12 pounds in 24 hours i could have done that too... difference is when we weigh in we also have to ensure we are full and almost ready to step on stage... cant flatten out for weigh in and then eat afterwards to fill out again... its a much finer line for us..

leglock · 27-09-2006, 11:00 AM

lee would you not admit tho,that weighing in for a bodybuilding contest and weighing in for a fighting contest is totally different,ive been told many times that BB are not particularly healthy people,also that a BB only needs to LOOK strong....for instance after weighing in could you see yourself running a marathon? fighting a 25 minute fight ? if you was that way inclined of course....in other words would you be physically capable of these things after weigh in
just out of interest how long before contest do BB weigh in ? also what is the gaps in weight like between divisions ? cheers

Squatty · 27-09-2006, 05:27 PM

This is one of the best threads in ages.

Will it go on forever?

26-09-2006, 03:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,938 Rep Power:	as with everything as battlehawk has said... alot is trial and error.. what works for one might not work for another... so its finding what works for you! happy to help! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

26-09-2006, 03:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 193 Rep Power:	lee when you talk about assumptions ,i think you might have jumped to a few yourself...nowhere have i said a bodybuilder "cant" give advice about fighting or preparing for a fight...then again i never said a swimmer,rower or even a bus driver "cant" give advice....my point was,it makes most sense to me to ask advice from succesful people in your own sport... i understand many bodybuilders have a good knowledge of nutrition in sport,BUT making weight for a fight is like nothing a bodybuilder ever has to deal with...so to ask your average bodybuilder specifically,well, you might as well ask a rower or a swimmer etc.... as for bodybuilders lasting 3 mins on the mat...well like i said im going from personal experience,i dont doubt that some would last 4 or even 5 minutes but again,only going by what ive seen...all piss and no poke most of them.....no need to stick your chest out mate im only having a giggle .... well mostly. just to add...battlehawk you are right about that program...but also remember how many succesful top level yanks look to for help with their training....mark layman,who has never competed as a fighter in his life and is in general a poor physical specimen...but sure knows his shit when it comes to a fight...he brought out a video a few years back called " on the mat with mark layman " i never thought much of instructional videos but this one was tops....Evan Tanner who became middleweight world champ and was and is a great fighter,learned everything about fighting from this video,and rolling round with his mates,he is self taught!...so as much as diet and conditioning helps,we must never forget technique is everything and without we are nothing,no matter how great your diet is ! ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

26-09-2006, 05:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 193 Rep Power:	now listen brother....if i can last 5 minutes with my own mrs i guarentee i,ll last 10 with yours ! you gotta be an argumentative cxxt living with her i can tell you !! i gotta say mate,ive noticed this time and before,you put up a good argument and make some valid points...dont agree with them but worth thinking about. as regards making weight...i dont think shifting 12 pounds in 5 days can really compare with shifting 12 pounds in 24 hours which isnt unusual in this sport..and obviously certainly wouldnt be done the same way. its good to have an opinion and listen to others,even if they are wrong ...take care...LL ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

27-09-2006, 09:44 AM	#28 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,938 Rep Power:	lol.. if i had needed to shift 12 pounds in 24 hours i could have done that too... difference is when we weigh in we also have to ensure we are full and almost ready to step on stage... cant flatten out for weigh in and then eat afterwards to fill out again... its a much finer line for us.. ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

27-09-2006, 11:00 AM	#29 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 193 Rep Power:	lee would you not admit tho,that weighing in for a bodybuilding contest and weighing in for a fighting contest is totally different,ive been told many times that BB are not particularly healthy people,also that a BB only needs to LOOK strong....for instance after weighing in could you see yourself running a marathon? fighting a 25 minute fight ? if you was that way inclined of course....in other words would you be physically capable of these things after weigh in just out of interest how long before contest do BB weigh in ? also what is the gaps in weight like between divisions ? cheers ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

26-09-2006, 12:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
wigz Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 429 Rep Power:	yeah ricky hatton trains with kerry at his gym and if im not mistaken he's actually in hatton's corner now when he fights.

26-09-2006, 02:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
battlehawk Under Construction Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6 Rep Power:	Alright Fellas, Haven't been on for a few days, WOW what happened ??? Its all good, life would be pretty borin if we all agreed on everythin !! Gotta say tho I am really happy with the stright forward advice i'v been given n I feel more knowledgable and confident with regards to "A Day Before Weigh In". This thread kinda reminds me of The Ultimate Fighter 3 show. In it one of the trainers, Ken Shamrock (a veteran n very very well respected MMA fighter n coach) chose to take a bodybuilder as his no.2. Many of the fighters were at a loss why he did this n refused to take on board the advice he offered, sayin his needs were different from theres. Yet some guys took the advice n swore by the results. Each to there own I say. Cheers to the guys who've helped Much Appreciated

27-09-2006, 05:27 PM	#30 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 651 Rep Power:	This is one of the best threads in ages. Will it go on forever?

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