Day Before Weigh-Ins

battlehawk

Yeah maybe I was a bit rash with the testin comment. I fight at semi pro level n I can only speak from personal experience but iv never come across any testin as yet. Perhaps thats just by chance tho.
LL, u know is there an independent governin body responsible for testin in MMA ? Or is it down to the individual promotions company ? Also i might be wrong but u look at some of these guys in the UFC n PRIDE n they look in REALLY good shape.

Not sure i agree about distancin myself from bodybuilders altogether. Granted trainin to fight is very very different but there are some elements that translate. Many top sportsmen incorporate bodybuildin into there trainin nowadays, weather it be thru resistence trainin, nutrition or makin weight lets face it bodybuilders know how to get the best out of there bodies.

cheers

LeeB

i think training wise bodybuilders will be very different.... and probably useless...

but alot of bodybuidlers are actually amateur nutritionalists too and have ALOT to offer in this sense... were not just thick idiots who lift metal and eat animals!! lol

just because WE are bodybuilders doesnt mean we cant give training and nutritional advice which will benefit another sport!!

leglock

sorry mate i didnt mean to sound disrespectful towards bodybuilders.....i know you lads know your shit diet wise...but of course a bodybuilders diet and a fighters diet will be totally different as will be the training....with all due respect many bodybuilders at their own peak for their own sport are not particularly healthy people ! a fighter cant go into a fight with any physical weakness whatsoever and expect to compete at his best...and regarding training,unless a fighter has an obvious physical weakness 60 per cent of his training will be on the mat,probably around 30 per cent cardio and maybe 10 per cent lifting weights...everyones different but this is probably an average.
i have never and would never try to advise a bodybuilder on his sport if he competes at a reasonable level because my experience and understanding in my own sport would be of little or no value in a sport so different to my own,a fighter may possibly get better advice from a middle distance runner than a bodybuilder as the 2 sports are just so different...obviously the way a bodybuilder peaks him/herself for a show is totally different for the way a fighter would, training and diet wise,add the fact that lifting weights is only a very small part of a fighters training and the comparisons become very few.
i agree bodybuilders know how to get the best out of their bodies...but...they know how to make their body LOOK its best...ive had many lads over the years say to me bodybuilding is more about LOOKING like you are a strong healthy person than actually BEING a strong healthy person...now thats good and fine if you are a bodybuilder but if you are a fighter then you will very quickly be exposed..battlehawk you spoke of top ufc fighters,take another look at the light heavyweight champ chuck liddell...or the heavyweight champ tim sylvia...not particularly impressive looking specimens are they ! certainly dont look in abvious great shape do they?...thats because their diet and training has been centred around winning a fight,not looking good ! of course you will always get some fighters who are genetically superior,somebody like vitor belfort is genetically a superb specimen,but what has been his major fault over the years? cardio,he can only fight 1 maybe 2 rounds before running out of steam...phil baroni being another example...
my point being it doesnt take a great muscular body to win a fight,even at top level...and that for me is how the 2 sports fighting and bodybuilding have literally nothing in common...all the best....LL

LeeB

still have to disagree with you on the advice thing mate....

ive been training for nearly 10 years... but would only call myself a bodybuilder for the last 2 (if that)... as before that i trained to be healthy and for natural strength...

i give lots of people advice.. not just on bodybuilding... but on adpating their bodies to achive a certain goal... not just looks wise..

youll find lots of bodybuilders have other backgrounds too and nutritionally and training wise have alot to offer!

and you will see that many top level athletes (not just fighters) employ people with bodybuilding backgrounds for nutrition and training advice.

altho i do agree your training has to be very specific... but would it not be best to have input from many different angles and cover every base?

leglock

ok lets put it another way....would you expect ricky hatton to ask advice on training,conditioning or diet from a bodybuilder...or a boxing trainer with 10/15/20 years experience in preparing fighters ?
most people in whatever sport they are in will look to people at the top of the SAME sport for advice,and this is a very natural and sensible thing to do.....
as an example lee...if i asked your opinion on an upcoming fight,there is most probably only a very small percentage of stuff you could advise me on to do with that fight,so wouldnt i be more sensible getting advice from somebody capable of advising me from all angles ? who has a lot of experience with the exact questions im going to want answering,makes perfect sense to me.
i get what your saying about bodybuilders having a good knowledge of diet etc but how many of the top boxing or mma trainers have experience of bodybuilding in any kind of competetive level? none...of course that doesnt mean bodybuilders dont have knowledge,just means they dont normally have enough knowledge of all aspects of a fight...most top pros nowadays have different coaches for different parts of the game....dieticians,boxing coaches,ground game coaches,wrestling coaches,conditioning coaches...even massage people ! cant spell the proper word for them
so when you break it down of what is actually involved in preparing for a fight,i really dont see what a bodybuilder can actually help with....no disrespect as i know theres nothing i could help you prepare for in your sport either

LeeB

a bodybuilder wuold normally be acting as a dietician mate... because we know more than most! im not saying we would give bodybuilding advice to a fighter leglock... just that because we are bodybuilders it does not mean that the ONLY advice we can offer is specifically for bodybuilding!

also ricky hatton.... correct me if im wrong... but does he not take advice from kerry kayes... owner of CNP (formerly dorian yates approved) and former bodybuilder???? i rest my case!

leglock

mate if you want to call yourself a dietician then thats cool im all for it,or any bodybuilder come to that...but lets not get confused with that meaning people can sensibly advise a fighter and help him prepare for a fight just because he knows about dieting...you are taking a massive field of knowledge,learning and experience and making a tiny part of that field bigger than what it is...yes hatton has used kayes but that was only under the instruction of billy graham,who uses a whole number of people including hypnotists,stress counsellors etc....so how does that rest your case ?!
if i tell you how to tie your shoe laces before you go into the gym and you become mr.olympia does that make me suitably qualified to advise bodybuilders ?
like i said,your sport really hasnt got anything in common with fighting when it comes to diet or training as you are peaking your body for something totally different so no,the average bodybuilder i dont think is qualified to advise a fighter....obviously if that same bodybuilder has studied enough to call themself a dietician then fair enough different story,but dieticians come from all walks of life.

Squatty

This thread has taken an odd turn. The thread was actually started by a fighter who came on to a bodybuilding forum because he wanted some specific advice. Some members responded and battlehawk seemed satifsfied at the response.

Surely that's the point of a forum like this. People give and take advice but have to take the responsibility of deciding if the advice they're given meets their needs.

And Lee, I'm sure you're right about Kerry Kayes. I've just finished reading the John Hotton book and in it Kerry had a big input with the diet and training of several fighters

leglock

squatty relax mate theres no argument going on here just a difference of opinion it seems,and surely thats fine on a forum as if everybody agreed with everything everyone said it would pretty much come to a standstill surely.....in my opinion the fella really should have asked advice from a fight trainer as opposed to a bodybuilder....its a bit like a plasterer asking a chippy for advice about plastering a wall ! yes the chippy will more than likely know enough to give advice,but why not ask a good experienced plasterer,makes perfect sense surely.
ive seen a lot of bodybuilder types come into gyms before and dish out advice(not saying anyones doing this here by the way) and 9 times out of 10 its been advice based on their own sport which really has no relevance in fighting,the lad listening thinks the fella must know his stuff as he "looks the part"...yet in reality the advisor wouldnt last 3 minutes on the mat...for example what battlehawk was actually asking about,making weight for a fight, is an extremely important part of a fight,which again,would have absolutely no relevance to how a bodybuilder would eat,train or make weight...so this being of such importance i personally think the fella would benefit more from asking people who have to do this regularly,as opposed to bodybuilders.
of course there is going to be examples where a bodybuilder has gone into other fields,same as a plasterer might end up a brickie etc...on the whole tho it still doesnt make sense to me to ask advice from people outside of your own sport,just ask successful or knowledgable people in your own sport...and this works both ways

Squatty

I'm dead relaxed mate - not long had a nice aromotherapy oils bath.

Nothing more to add beyond my original point. If the guy who started the thread was happy with the advice, thats all that matters really