BEST MARTIAL ART

nunchaku master · 22-07-2006, 07:42 PM

yes LL that is definately true, no amount of training can prepare one for a fight, only experience of fighting can one learn. but i think you are missing my point now. I have accepted that to be a great fighter going against anyone and everyone, you have to be a mixed martial artist, so indeed ground fighting, submissions, standing. However it is human nature to strive to be the best, therefore the illegal street fights, the full contact UFC style tounaments, these are all mixed martial artists who enter, so it will be one mixed fighter against another fighter, both very experienced in fighting.

now as for kung fu, it is a self defence, all i am saying is that it serves its purpose very well in its effectiveness. The fella twice the size... this situation I am talking about a street fight brought about maybe by disagreement, racism, or just alcohol! I am saying that a bigger guy who is a 'nutter' and just swings and charges away with no technique, no guard, will fall against a martial artist of nearly any style. Here there are no rules, the opponent is not following the martial artists rules because he has none. I am saying in this case... the martial artists techniques will overcome the brawling nature of the opponent. The big fella will 9 times out of 10 go for a headlock.. thinking he so big that he will overpower the smaller kung fu artist. Again I have been in this situation, and have practiced many times how to get out of it.... in that case i ripped his nose back so his head has to follow back, releasing the headlock and falling back... so once exposed, a leapord fist to his throat (hitting with the first knuckles on each finger) left him gasping for air. Other methods are gauging his eyes, or smacking his balls... after all both his arms are being used to apply the headlock.

what I am basically saying is that kung fu does work on the street..against these beefy guys who think by swinging and charging will work, but if one came across a mixed martial artist.. who has a guard, who has fighting techniques of many styles, but most of all who has had many experiences of fighting.. then yes, the kung fu person will be screwed.

well i am somewhat loyal to kung fu because i have used it for what it was made for... self defence. And yes as said earlier I do wish to broaden my knowledge and become a mixed martial artist, although books and dvds are just tools to add to knowledge! But as you have said... illegal fights and UFC are just not for many people, including me

leglock · 22-07-2006, 11:20 PM

the situation you have just described is a bit like me saying i know how to play chess,but i can only play against people who dont know as much as me,now this is fine because i can CHOOSE who i play chess against,can you CHOOSE who is going to attack you in the street ? what if the other fella is not just a great big lump of crap,what if he knows a thing or 2 about fighting....your screwed !
maybe we should leave this with the age old saying....martial artists stick to martial arts...and let the fighters stick to fighting

....cheers...LL

nunchaku master · 24-07-2006, 10:37 PM

lol good analogy. although i wasnt saying who we choose to fight... i'm just saying that it all comes down to the individual vs the individual, technique, strength, speed, experience and the will to win. If one is overall better then he shall win, if one isnt, then he will lose... or be screwed as u said

i can agree with that, let the martial artists stick to martial arts and fighters stick to fighting

mrdeadlifter · 29-09-2006, 12:41 AM

i think that this topic is hard to answer. after all how do we define best? is it the real life best or the in the ring best. in the ring, a good muay thai fighter can often batter anyone who gets close enough. providing they are not a submission man.
no martial art is much better than another in my opinion. they all have inherent strengths and weaknesses. but its the fighter him/herself and their specific conditioning or lack of it that is the most significant ingredient. that is why you hear of so called martial arts experts getting tanned by the local pisshead.

in a street fight, i distract the opponent(s) if possible and run like ****. there is no pride in staying alive.

if i cannot escape i rarely use elbows unless really hemmed in. fists are the most effective and accurate offensive weapon and i almost always use simple combinations that are instinctive and tested.

kicks are fun if you are up against someone who is drunk and dull witted. going to the floor is the best route to being left on the floor by your opponents pals.

leglock · 29-09-2006, 10:30 AM

hello mr deadlifter,without re reading all of this,if i remember correctly the lad had asked what works best in a street fight situation,
you speak sense and i agree 1 discipline is not better than another,therefore for me a man who can use a combination of skills to suit the needs of the opponent is "best"...and by streetfight i dont think the lad was on about your usual friday night swing about outside the pub,well i wasnt on about that anyway.
i admire the discipline you have chosen,muay thai is a very hard sport,very hard on the body...but as you know this alone will not be enough to come out on top in a "street fight " or what i would prefer to call a fight without rules...all the best..LL

mrdeadlifter · 29-09-2006, 10:45 AM

could not agree more LL; i treat all street confrontations as if my life is at risk. because it often is! in the street i use any means necessary - if i cannot first talk or run my way out. i'd rather go to jail than get zipped up thats for sure; i have no compunction about taking a life to keep my own.

leglock · 29-09-2006, 11:37 AM

good philosophy...but may i ask why you are at such risk

you make it sound like a street confrontation is an every day occurence....in the last 15 years ive had 2 actual situations and neither were started by me,...if you dont look you will rarely find !..take care

mrdeadlifter · 29-09-2006, 11:56 AM

i quite agree and certainly avoid the macho angle like the plague.

i never seek bother but unfortunately its environmental. where i stay (Old Town, central edinburgh) there are several bail hostels, a homeless hostel and numerous low cost housing schemes with rafts of naughty wee shites within. sadly some of these folks are drug users/abusers and/or have mental health problems. the system does not help these folks well.

i own two tattoo studios (!) and whilst the vast majority of my clients are people that i know and love, the tattoo studio will always be the sort of place that attracts a certain amount of foolish characters. its a bit like a pub in that respect. in recent years i've installed cctv, cc entry system (also camerad). its just the modern age.

all the best

leglock · 29-09-2006, 01:56 PM

i see...well fair play and all that....get yourself a big nasty dog that will ease things a bit...not a rottweiler tho ! horrible shitbag things !

mrdeadlifter · 02-10-2006, 12:42 AM

hahaha aye, used to own a rotty and a rottweiler/german shep cross bosco. the rotty pup was really moody little buger called Naylor. my ex kept him in the end- they went well together!

22-07-2006, 11:20 PM	#42 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 192 Rep Power:	the situation you have just described is a bit like me saying i know how to play chess,but i can only play against people who dont know as much as me,now this is fine because i can CHOOSE who i play chess against,can you CHOOSE who is going to attack you in the street ? what if the other fella is not just a great big lump of crap,what if he knows a thing or 2 about fighting....your screwed ! maybe we should leave this with the age old saying....martial artists stick to martial arts...and let the fighters stick to fighting ....cheers...LL ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

29-09-2006, 10:30 AM	#45 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 192 Rep Power:	hello mr deadlifter,without re reading all of this,if i remember correctly the lad had asked what works best in a street fight situation, you speak sense and i agree 1 discipline is not better than another,therefore for me a man who can use a combination of skills to suit the needs of the opponent is "best"...and by streetfight i dont think the lad was on about your usual friday night swing about outside the pub,well i wasnt on about that anyway. i admire the discipline you have chosen,muay thai is a very hard sport,very hard on the body...but as you know this alone will not be enough to come out on top in a "street fight " or what i would prefer to call a fight without rules...all the best..LL ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

29-09-2006, 11:37 AM	#47 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 192 Rep Power:	good philosophy...but may i ask why you are at such risk you make it sound like a street confrontation is an every day occurence....in the last 15 years ive had 2 actual situations and neither were started by me,...if you dont look you will rarely find !..take care ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

29-09-2006, 01:56 PM	#49 (permalink)
leglock Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: essex Posts: 192 Rep Power:	i see...well fair play and all that....get yourself a big nasty dog that will ease things a bit...not a rottweiler tho ! horrible shitbag things ! ______________________ im forever blowing bubbles pretty bubbles in the air they fly so high,nearly reach the sky then like my dreams they fade and die

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22-07-2006, 07:42 PM	#41 (permalink)
nunchaku master Under Construction Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bham Posts: 50 Rep Power:	yes LL that is definately true, no amount of training can prepare one for a fight, only experience of fighting can one learn. but i think you are missing my point now. I have accepted that to be a great fighter going against anyone and everyone, you have to be a mixed martial artist, so indeed ground fighting, submissions, standing. However it is human nature to strive to be the best, therefore the illegal street fights, the full contact UFC style tounaments, these are all mixed martial artists who enter, so it will be one mixed fighter against another fighter, both very experienced in fighting. now as for kung fu, it is a self defence, all i am saying is that it serves its purpose very well in its effectiveness. The fella twice the size... this situation I am talking about a street fight brought about maybe by disagreement, racism, or just alcohol! I am saying that a bigger guy who is a 'nutter' and just swings and charges away with no technique, no guard, will fall against a martial artist of nearly any style. Here there are no rules, the opponent is not following the martial artists rules because he has none. I am saying in this case... the martial artists techniques will overcome the brawling nature of the opponent. The big fella will 9 times out of 10 go for a headlock.. thinking he so big that he will overpower the smaller kung fu artist. Again I have been in this situation, and have practiced many times how to get out of it.... in that case i ripped his nose back so his head has to follow back, releasing the headlock and falling back... so once exposed, a leapord fist to his throat (hitting with the first knuckles on each finger) left him gasping for air. Other methods are gauging his eyes, or smacking his balls... after all both his arms are being used to apply the headlock. what I am basically saying is that kung fu does work on the street..against these beefy guys who think by swinging and charging will work, but if one came across a mixed martial artist.. who has a guard, who has fighting techniques of many styles, but most of all who has had many experiences of fighting.. then yes, the kung fu person will be screwed. well i am somewhat loyal to kung fu because i have used it for what it was made for... self defence. And yes as said earlier I do wish to broaden my knowledge and become a mixed martial artist, although books and dvds are just tools to add to knowledge! But as you have said... illegal fights and UFC are just not for many people, including me

24-07-2006, 10:37 PM	#43 (permalink)
nunchaku master Under Construction Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bham Posts: 50 Rep Power:	lol good analogy. although i wasnt saying who we choose to fight... i'm just saying that it all comes down to the individual vs the individual, technique, strength, speed, experience and the will to win. If one is overall better then he shall win, if one isnt, then he will lose... or be screwed as u said i can agree with that, let the martial artists stick to martial arts and fighters stick to fighting

29-09-2006, 12:41 AM	#44 (permalink)
mrdeadlifter Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 39 Rep Power:	i think that this topic is hard to answer. after all how do we define best? is it the real life best or the in the ring best. in the ring, a good muay thai fighter can often batter anyone who gets close enough. providing they are not a submission man. no martial art is much better than another in my opinion. they all have inherent strengths and weaknesses. but its the fighter him/herself and their specific conditioning or lack of it that is the most significant ingredient. that is why you hear of so called martial arts experts getting tanned by the local pisshead. in a street fight, i distract the opponent(s) if possible and run like ****. there is no pride in staying alive. if i cannot escape i rarely use elbows unless really hemmed in. fists are the most effective and accurate offensive weapon and i almost always use simple combinations that are instinctive and tested. kicks are fun if you are up against someone who is drunk and dull witted. going to the floor is the best route to being left on the floor by your opponents pals.

29-09-2006, 10:45 AM	#46 (permalink)
mrdeadlifter Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 39 Rep Power:	could not agree more LL; i treat all street confrontations as if my life is at risk. because it often is! in the street i use any means necessary - if i cannot first talk or run my way out. i'd rather go to jail than get zipped up thats for sure; i have no compunction about taking a life to keep my own.

29-09-2006, 11:56 AM	#48 (permalink)
mrdeadlifter Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 39 Rep Power:	i quite agree and certainly avoid the macho angle like the plague. i never seek bother but unfortunately its environmental. where i stay (Old Town, central edinburgh) there are several bail hostels, a homeless hostel and numerous low cost housing schemes with rafts of naughty wee shites within. sadly some of these folks are drug users/abusers and/or have mental health problems. the system does not help these folks well. i own two tattoo studios (!) and whilst the vast majority of my clients are people that i know and love, the tattoo studio will always be the sort of place that attracts a certain amount of foolish characters. its a bit like a pub in that respect. in recent years i've installed cctv, cc entry system (also camerad). its just the modern age. all the best

02-10-2006, 12:42 AM	#50 (permalink)
mrdeadlifter Under Construction Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 39 Rep Power:	hahaha aye, used to own a rotty and a rottweiler/german shep cross bosco. the rotty pup was really moody little buger called Naylor. my ex kept him in the end- they went well together!