Get big to get small?

Ironclad · 14-02-2008, 01:01 AM

There is a school of thought that if you increase muscle heavily, your body needs to use (burn?) your excess fat stores to support the extra weight of muscle.
Do you think this may be true, or not? Could this be a way to 'diet' down the flab? Or is this simply BS?

Discuss...

CMinOZ · 14-02-2008, 05:09 AM

Ironclad, not sure if you're confusing things here, or possibly I am.

The way most people (on this site anyway) look at BF is as a % of overall mass. Rather than focus on losing or burning fat (which is boring and tends to involve restrictive dieting or cardio - or god help us, both) why not focus on increasing your lean mass along which in turn will reduce your body fat as a percentage of your overall mass.

For instance If I weight 98kg at 13% and want to get to 10% I would prefer to do so by gaining 4.74kg of lean mass.

It is true that an increase in lean mass will require more cals for maintenance and if you don't consume these you will use the most readily available source of energy.

Re-reading this, I'm not sure if this answers your questions

**Tall** · 14-02-2008, 08:38 AM

Ironclad - are you actually after answers to your question...? Or are you trolling...?

Ironclad · 14-02-2008, 04:50 PM

CMinOZ, yes you are prob right i may well have confused myself! I understand your middle part about the ratio dropping, makes total sense. (and is where i confused myself i'd bet).
Yes you have answered my Q cheers man!

Tall, i hope i don't come across as a troll (can you do this on your own 1st post? i dunno), i was trying to see if what i've read before is out of date info, or true, or just rubbish. I want to make sure by asking other folk on different forums, nothing more. But... the ulterior motive was to start another thread, compare replys then see if what i stated elsewhere (where i was an A-hole) about an alternative view to beefing up, to drop bodyfat levels is viable. (but not healthy, btw. i know)
Hope you're ok fella, i'll cheer up soon. Promise

(i don't wish to be the A-hole of MC.com)

Nath · 14-02-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tall

Ironclad - are you actually after answers to your question...? Or are you trolling...?

What is 'trolling'?? Thats a new one on me

crazycal1 · 14-02-2008, 07:21 PM

Quote:

(i don't wish to be the A-hole of MC.com)

that jobs taken mate

***TinyTom*** · 14-02-2008, 08:44 PM

increasing muscle size increases the amount of calories you burn per hour so if you kept your diet EXACTLY the same over time you would eventually burn off the excess fat.

However no one keeps their diet EXACTLY the same year round so this is just theory.

Over time as you get more efficient at building muscle (providing you follow a rule of continuing adaption/change) your body will become more efficent at storing glycogen and using fat as energy.

However if you eat pies all the time I doubt this will ever happen.

Mopst people who are seriously into getting big will clean up their diet over the years to get better. I've seen people train the same way and eat the same way for years and they never improve.

Continuous improvement is what bbing is all about.

Ironclad · 14-02-2008, 09:12 PM

Nice one! Viable, but inefficiant and not for the serious athlete.

Quote:

that jobs taken mate

Dang! I thought i was doing ok too! lol

14-02-2008, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ironclad Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: saff of England Posts: 121 Rep Power:	Get big to get small? There is a school of thought that if you increase muscle heavily, your body needs to use (burn?) your excess fat stores to support the extra weight of muscle. Do you think this may be true, or not? Could this be a way to 'diet' down the flab? Or is this simply BS? Discuss...

14-02-2008, 05:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
CMinOZ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 220 Rep Power:	Re: Get big to get small? Ironclad, not sure if you're confusing things here, or possibly I am. The way most people (on this site anyway) look at BF is as a % of overall mass. Rather than focus on losing or burning fat (which is boring and tends to involve restrictive dieting or cardio - or god help us, both) why not focus on increasing your lean mass along which in turn will reduce your body fat as a percentage of your overall mass. For instance If I weight 98kg at 13% and want to get to 10% I would prefer to do so by gaining 4.74kg of lean mass. It is true that an increase in lean mass will require more cals for maintenance and if you don't consume these you will use the most readily available source of energy. Re-reading this, I'm not sure if this answers your questions

14-02-2008, 08:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tall Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bulgaria. Posts: 2,650 Rep Power:	Re: Get big to get small? Ironclad - are you actually after answers to your question...? Or are you trolling...?

14-02-2008, 04:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ironclad Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: saff of England Posts: 121 Rep Power:	Re: Get big to get small? CMinOZ, yes you are prob right i may well have confused myself! I understand your middle part about the ratio dropping, makes total sense. (and is where i confused myself i'd bet). Yes you have answered my Q cheers man! Tall, i hope i don't come across as a troll (can you do this on your own 1st post? i dunno), i was trying to see if what i've read before is out of date info, or true, or just rubbish. I want to make sure by asking other folk on different forums, nothing more. But... the ulterior motive was to start another thread, compare replys then see if what i stated elsewhere (where i was an A-hole) about an alternative view to beefing up, to drop bodyfat levels is viable. (but not healthy, btw. i know) Hope you're ok fella, i'll cheer up soon. Promise (i don't wish to be the A-hole of MC.com)

14-02-2008, 08:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
*TinyTom* Administrator Muscle Chat Management Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 444 Rep Power:	Re: Get big to get small? increasing muscle size increases the amount of calories you burn per hour so if you kept your diet EXACTLY the same over time you would eventually burn off the excess fat. However no one keeps their diet EXACTLY the same year round so this is just theory. Over time as you get more efficient at building muscle (providing you follow a rule of continuing adaption/change) your body will become more efficent at storing glycogen and using fat as energy. However if you eat pies all the time I doubt this will ever happen. Mopst people who are seriously into getting big will clean up their diet over the years to get better. I've seen people train the same way and eat the same way for years and they never improve. Continuous improvement is what bbing is all about. ______________________ Get an extra 5% off all products at www.mosn.co.uk Use code 'MC 110' when ordering Also mod at www.uk-muscle.co.uk Excellence is a Habit not a skill Any advice I give is from my own experience, I do not recommend the use of drugs. Be responsible and careful if you decide to use any performance enhancing product as misuse can result in dangerous side effects.

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