On a cutting cycle but dont want to risk losing muscle

Nick500

I am on this sort of regime atm:
get up at 730
take ephedrine (with asprin and coffee), creatine ethyl ester, glutamine, protein, cod liver oil, multivitamin
prepare an isotonic drink with taurine

goto gym, do low to mid intensity cardio (i.e. heart rate about 140 - i could comfortably do higher but heard this is optimum for fat burning) for about 1 1/2 hours

then do 20 minutes intense weights.

Can see improved definition but dont wish to lose too much muscle, i know I will lose a bit.

The weights that I do in those 20 minutes cause my muscles to hurt for 1 - 2 days after the exercise, and i'm doing an intelligent 4 day split, so no overtraining goin on.

THoughts?

nick

Olorin

I think the general opinion round here is that you should do your weight training before doing cardio, if you are doing them on the same day.
1 1/2 hours sounds like a hell of a long time to me, dunno how you could keep that up long term without losing motivation.
Have you heard of high intensity interval training? Type that into google and you will find some really interesting articles, sorry I can't give you some direct links, but they are easy to find. If maximum fat loss and minimum muscle loss is what your after check it out and give it a go, and you won't be spending half the time doing your cardio as what you were
I started a routine 3 weeks ago and can really see results, it is tough going but enjoyable and anything but monotonous.
I actually had to bolt out the gym the other day and vomit because I pushed myself to failure on my last "interval" of maximum intensity on the X trainer ops:
Think the ECA had something to do with it as well though.

Nick500

Spending the time on the x trainer doesn't overly bother me, but yeah i think i'm gonna up the tempo and bit, interval training tho?? i'm not as fit as u !!

seriously tho, cheers i'll take ur advice on board

wasp345

that way i keep mass on !!plus its good for pschye!!

Anonymous

Im not a doctor so dont shoot me down here, but im sure i read some where you shouldnt do ECA and creatine together.

Anonymous

i dont think theyed mix to well, but i,ve never done them together.

imo creatine for bulking , eca for cutting.


what does everyone else think?

Anonymous

i agree steve

creatine is pointless when cutting, just gonna make you hold more water making you look less cut, which really takes away the whole point of 'cutting'

zx9rjas.

I disagree, creatine can be used for cuttin as water retention and fat loss are seperate.

Creatine will aid recovery from training and especially cardio fatigue, then once you BF levels are at a point whereby you are happy, remove the creatine to drop the water.

Have a read of this info mate and then make up your own mind

http://abcbodybuilding.com/creatine%...0and_facts.php

If you missed the bit about creatine and cutting here it is:

Q: Since Creatine makes you gain weight should I not take it on a cut?

A: Yes, creatine causes your body to hold water, but that is a good thing! The fact that your muscles are super hydrated even on a cut is fantastic. I see absolutely no correlation between taking creatine and our body storing fat. If anything, creatine will assist us in maintaining more lean mass while dieting. In my mind there is no point to discontinuing the use of creatine while trying to burn fat

Anonymous

i think this is one that would have to be personally tried.

tom84

it wouldnt make u retain any fat so in that sense using creatine to cut makes just as much sense as to bulk. The point is as it makes u retain water it makes u appear puffy now this might just be me but i couldnt care less if my bodyfat is 8% if i still dnt look it. So i dnt normally use creatine when cutting. Althou i dnt find this so much with CEE which is awesome.