training aches

leglock

As an example....if you was to have trained biceps on monday pm...and were due to train chest wednesday pm....and your arms were still shot from monday,would you still go ahead with your weds chest workout as normal or wait till arms had recovered ?
Also,with that same example....say your arms were not fully recovered till thursday,would you say you have simply overdone it ?
I read somewhere that you shouldnt train a muscle group until it is fully recovered from the previous workout,but how does that work when training a different muscle group thats not directly related to the one thats still sore...surely you would have big gaps between training days ?...hope the question makes sense and any advice would be appreciated.

crazycal1

hey dude-i`ve been giving this a bit of thought recently cos i usually only train once every fourth day for the very reasons youve outlined.
i think you need to treat the body as a whole and if one part aches you should wait until its totally recovered till you train another.
for me its because i abuse the phrase rest pause and take 30 secs to 1 minute in between reps for my partial trap bar deads.
this is due to my back needing such a long rest in between reps.
i have changed things around recently and found i can train my legs every 2nd day after an upper body workout,but still can only train upper body after a 3 day rest after legs.
you have to decide whether youre truly recovered enuff to progress in weight when you train again.
initially the plan was to train every mon wed fri,but i simply found i didnt have the strength and recovery to do it.
i think you simply have to be very honest with yourself cos theres a difference between being up for going to the gym and being truly ready for another workout.

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

leglock

ok pal...from past readings i believe you are of the once per week per bodypart trainer am i right ?....so with the question i posted,how would you yourself fit everything into 1 week ,im presuming you split into 2 if you train every 4th day ?....and if you do,do you have the energy to train 3 or 4 bodyparts with full intensity in 1 workout....sorry if im being a dumbell my maths never was great.

With the example i gave,biceps/chest.....im not talking from a point of view of being stale or not up for a workout....i can go in the gym full of vigour and train chest,but the fact is my arms may well still be sore....obviously a chest workout is not directly related to biceps so with that in mind am i doing any harm by training chest with sore arms if you get my meaning.

Gazz

Your biceps being shot should have no detrimental effect on your ability to train your pecs even,for example,you only used dumbbell fly's to hit them,as bi's are of course a secondary muscle in that exersise.I would be more concerned if you had shot your tri's using isolation methods on that Monday PM and were planning a heavy duty bench session on the Wednesday PM as your push power could be considerably hindered with tired,unrecovered triceps.I can't relate to your query too much as i train chest and Bi's on the same Monday session but in hindsight,even if my bicep's were aching form a previous workout i would still train my pec's regardless.It'll be ok mate.Feed and rest well at the weekend.

crazycal1

yes mate i train 3-4 body parts per workout with only one exercise per body part.

dudes there are different rules for training as a natty and on gear.
a fact that is usually forgotten.

if you are a genetically typical person you should treat the body as a whole as the body is not getting enuff rest to grow at its maximum.

imeho most peeps dont have the recovery abilities that are read about in most magazines.
most mainstream literature is based on AAS use routines.....

rest is just as important as diet/training factors,but is rarely treated as such.

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

junior25

Hi guys,
i have just started training doing compound exercises 3-4 times a week and some days after training i can be achey, do you think that maybe i should knock it down a bit to 2-3 times a week.
Sorry if i'm a bit off topic just looking for little bit advice.
thanks junior

Tall

Start up a thread with your training on Junior and the guys on here will help you. We need to see your training split first really.

leglock

Bang on....thats what i was getting at...ta gazz...
I was thinking more in the way of working a muscle( biceps in this case) without it being fully recovered...but as you say it would be a secondary muscle in that instance....cheers