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Young Gun

No probs DQ I'm not writing to come across smart at all if thats how you feel cool and as far as having a go at me feel free to if you want mate, I'm gonna have a go at people when they piss me off and I expect people to have a go at me when I do the same I'm not about to get like a spoilt little kid and get pissed off.

I respect a hell of a lot of your achievements mate from being in the forces to your martial arts. I don't think you come across academically intelligent but thats just me being honest, I'm not criticizing you for that, I don't care whether people are or not.If you think I'm a spoilt little snob or something then feel free to say it. As far as that goes I've had to work ****ing hard to get where I am I'm from Salford in Manchester not exactly the thriving centre of oppurtunity I went to all state schools and had some of the worst teaching you can imagine. But I worked my ass off and I got 5 straight A Alevels. I never bring this up because this is a bodybuilding board and its not important. I'm not bragging just trying to say I'm not exactly a spoonfed snob or anything and I disagree with you when you say I write things to try to come across as more intelligent than I am because thats not me or my personality.

And i was just trying to lighten the mood about your missus no offence

devilsquest

lol kool yg and plaese take the missus lmao,,on second thoughts no would not be kind to u to set her on u lmfao

Comando Tom

I disagree completely, it depends on diet, timing and the product itself.

Young Gun

Which I outlined in a post before I wrote that, thatw as my basic opinion which DQ asked for.

How many products have you tried Tom. What were your gains off them. What did your weight go from and then too. Measurements, lifts.

I would always use a whey protein.

I would use Extreme's MRP or reflex's when bulking if I had to use one. I would not when cutting.

I would never use a weight gainer.

Do you actually do any bodybuilding or just talk about Reflex/my protien products. Based on your gains and experience what would you suggest.

devilsquest

pmsl oops tom hes onto u

Nick500

lets keep things friendly yeah

DQ basically i'd stick away from weight gainers
Use MRPs
Use whey

Comando Tom

No he just dosent like a different opinion.

Ive used a fair few. ZMA, creatine, many forms of whey, protein bars, carb drinks, multi vit, egg albumin, milk protein and others. My overal gain while I was hitting the gym properly was about 1.5 stone, and then it shut on me. I dont bother being over @n@l like SOME people and measure my bicpeps everyday, its so self centered. I do know my deadlift started at about 40kg and went upto 100kg. When I first ever went to the gym, I didnt even use free weights, I can admit I was weak, unlike most people care to talk about, I just used cables till I built up some strength then progressed.

If your only way to get your point accross is cheap personal shots, you shouldnt be a mod. No one here is trying to be personal, just give opinions, if you dont like it, leave. Im not currently body building, but dosent mean nothing, I still have a knowleage and read up about subject matters quite allot in my spare time. My suggestions would be to look at your diet and asses where your weak points are, if you dont think you have enough protein, get protein, if you think a certain meal if lacking buy a MRP, if you think you need extra cals a good weight gainer post workout are full of callories.

Andy1981iron

I'd recommend oats and whey combo shakes, with added milk and banana if you can be bothered.

Extremely effective weight gain formula, been a huge part of my cycle.

By the way....IQ tests are a poor measure of intelligence.

Nick500

ala me eh andy !!

hehe

I ****in hope IQ is a good measure of intelligence coz my IQ is high :P lol

devilsquest

whats yours then? mines 131