Legs

Mr Nice · 15-01-2006, 12:24 PM

I know that its just I think I have come to the stage pretty quick of where I eating loads and lifting heavier weights but my legs refuse to get any bigger so Im thinking juiceing maybe a good choice now as if my diet and traing is spot on and Im not growing tnen its my only option, deminised returns.

Young Gun · 15-01-2006, 03:18 PM

This is not what the principle of diminshed returns indicates. The principle of dimishing returns is commonly cited to say that your cycles will prove less and less profitable at the same doses. It has nothing to do with natural training

Mr Nice · 15-01-2006, 03:57 PM

If your diets right and your getting stonger in the lifts your focousing on but your body part isnt getting muscley bigger your just getting fatter I would say thats diminished returns.

Young Gun · 15-01-2006, 05:02 PM

I would say and I think most others would agree that you need to switch your training around to shock your body and focus on hypertrophy. Post up your training and diet please.

devilsquest · 15-01-2006, 05:12 PM

to right u need to keep your muscles guessin or they just get used to it and addapt and when this happerns you will not grow

Mr Nice · 15-01-2006, 11:05 PM

Ok I do shock my muscles and change things up now and again eg higher/lower reps/ sets and exercises. Training at the moment: Monday Back: deadlifts 60kg 10reps 100kg 10reps 140kg 8reps 180kg 8reps 210kg 8-10reps. Bent over barbel rows 142and a halfkg 8-10reps 132 and a half kg 10-12 reps 122 and a half kg 10-12 reps Chins 10reps 8reps 6reps seated cable rows 80kg 8reps 150 kg 2 sets 8reps shrugs 60kg 10reps 100kg reps 130kg reps abs 3 set 20 reps with 30kg. Tuesday Shoulders Behind the kneck press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 95kg 6reps 85kg 6-8reps 75kg 6-8reps Side latrals 10kg 10reps 20kg 11reps 17.5kg 14 reps 15kg 15reps bent latrals 10kg 8reps 17.5 12reps 15kg 12reps Triceps Close grip bench press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 115kg 6-8 reps 105kg 6-8 reps Tricep Extentions 20kg 10reps 40kg 8reps 45kg 8reps 45kg 6reps Pushdowns 40kg 8reps 50kg 8reps 50kg 6reps. Wednesday off. Thursday lying leg curls 10kg 20reps 20kg 8reps 30kg 8reps 45kg 8-12reps 40kg 8reps 35kg 8reps standing calf raises 120kg 20reps 160kg 12reps 200kg 12reps 280kg 12reps 290kg 10reps seated 77.5kg 3 sets 10-12reps Squats 20kg 20reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 140 kg 8reps 190kg 8-10reps Leg Press 200kg 8reps 280kg 8reps 400kg 10reps 480kg 10reps Leg Extensions 15kg 8reps 25kg 8reps 35kg 8reps 45kg 8reps 50kg 8-12reps some abductor work. Friday Chest Flat barbel bench press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 125kg 8-10reps 115kg 8-10reps 107.5kg 8reps Incline press 102.5kg 6-8reps 92.5kg 8reps 87.5kg 8-10reps flat flyes 10kg 8reps c20kg 8reps 32.5kg 8-12reps. Biceps standing blaster curls 20kg 10reps 40kg 8reps 52.5kg 8reps 50kg 6-8reps 47.5kg 6-8reps. Preacher curls 40kg 8reps 37.5kg 8reps 35kg 8reps Hammer curls 10kg 8reps 20kg 12reps dumbels. Some Forearn work. All sets taken to failure. Opinions Please. Weekend Off.

devilsquest · 16-01-2006, 12:06 AM

if you are takein all sets to failure maybe this is the problem???i know if i trained like this id not grow,just a thought ??maybe try not goin to failure for a while and see if you respond better

Young Gun · 16-01-2006, 12:35 AM

Sorry I cant read through all that and I'm not even gona try. Post it in a better format no offence. I don't just mean your lifts I just meant training frequency days on days off amount of sets and reps nto the actual weights. And diet is a bit more important. What your protein carb fat intake and ratio.

SoulCard · 16-01-2006, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Nice

If your diets right and your getting stonger in the lifts your focousing on but your body part isnt getting muscley bigger your just getting fatter I would say thats diminished returns.

if you are getting stronger and fatter, you are lifting on the wrong set/rep frequency and eating the wrong foods and not doing enough cardio...its a very simple equation actually...

Mr Nice · 16-01-2006, 02:05 PM

Sorry about the layout dont know how to do another way. Diet: Protien 1.5-2g per lb bodyweight Carbs 2-2.5g per lb Fat coming from the protien and carb sources and some EPA and GLA. I weigh 15 stone 2lb. Tried cardio 20mins 3 times a week had a negitive effect deffenetly couldnt get bigger stronger. My traings worked so far as I started off weighing 10.5stone 3.5 years ago, but has come to a halt at the moment I do change reps sets exercises now and again to shock things up, and when I do some sets I dont always go to failure.

15-01-2006, 12:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mr Nice Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Rep Power:	I know that its just I think I have come to the stage pretty quick of where I eating loads and lifting heavier weights but my legs refuse to get any bigger so Im thinking juiceing maybe a good choice now as if my diet and traing is spot on and Im not growing tnen its my only option, deminised returns. ______________________ Nice

15-01-2006, 03:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mr Nice Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Rep Power:	If your diets right and your getting stonger in the lifts your focousing on but your body part isnt getting muscley bigger your just getting fatter I would say thats diminished returns. ______________________ Nice

15-01-2006, 11:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mr Nice Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Ok I do shock my muscles and change things up now and again eg higher/lower reps/ sets and exercises. Training at the moment: Monday Back: deadlifts 60kg 10reps 100kg 10reps 140kg 8reps 180kg 8reps 210kg 8-10reps. Bent over barbel rows 142and a halfkg 8-10reps 132 and a half kg 10-12 reps 122 and a half kg 10-12 reps Chins 10reps 8reps 6reps seated cable rows 80kg 8reps 150 kg 2 sets 8reps shrugs 60kg 10reps 100kg reps 130kg reps abs 3 set 20 reps with 30kg. Tuesday Shoulders Behind the kneck press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 95kg 6reps 85kg 6-8reps 75kg 6-8reps Side latrals 10kg 10reps 20kg 11reps 17.5kg 14 reps 15kg 15reps bent latrals 10kg 8reps 17.5 12reps 15kg 12reps Triceps Close grip bench press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 115kg 6-8 reps 105kg 6-8 reps Tricep Extentions 20kg 10reps 40kg 8reps 45kg 8reps 45kg 6reps Pushdowns 40kg 8reps 50kg 8reps 50kg 6reps. Wednesday off. Thursday lying leg curls 10kg 20reps 20kg 8reps 30kg 8reps 45kg 8-12reps 40kg 8reps 35kg 8reps standing calf raises 120kg 20reps 160kg 12reps 200kg 12reps 280kg 12reps 290kg 10reps seated 77.5kg 3 sets 10-12reps Squats 20kg 20reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 140 kg 8reps 190kg 8-10reps Leg Press 200kg 8reps 280kg 8reps 400kg 10reps 480kg 10reps Leg Extensions 15kg 8reps 25kg 8reps 35kg 8reps 45kg 8reps 50kg 8-12reps some abductor work. Friday Chest Flat barbel bench press 20kg 20reps 40kg 8reps 60kg 8reps 100kg 8reps 125kg 8-10reps 115kg 8-10reps 107.5kg 8reps Incline press 102.5kg 6-8reps 92.5kg 8reps 87.5kg 8-10reps flat flyes 10kg 8reps c20kg 8reps 32.5kg 8-12reps. Biceps standing blaster curls 20kg 10reps 40kg 8reps 52.5kg 8reps 50kg 6-8reps 47.5kg 6-8reps. Preacher curls 40kg 8reps 37.5kg 8reps 35kg 8reps Hammer curls 10kg 8reps 20kg 12reps dumbels. Some Forearn work. All sets taken to failure. Opinions Please. Weekend Off. ______________________ Nice

16-01-2006, 02:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mr Nice Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Rep Power:	Sorry about the layout dont know how to do another way. Diet: Protien 1.5-2g per lb bodyweight Carbs 2-2.5g per lb Fat coming from the protien and carb sources and some EPA and GLA. I weigh 15 stone 2lb. Tried cardio 20mins 3 times a week had a negitive effect deffenetly couldnt get bigger stronger. My traings worked so far as I started off weighing 10.5stone 3.5 years ago, but has come to a halt at the moment I do change reps sets exercises now and again to shock things up, and when I do some sets I dont always go to failure. ______________________ Nice

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15-01-2006, 03:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	This is not what the principle of diminshed returns indicates. The principle of dimishing returns is commonly cited to say that your cycles will prove less and less profitable at the same doses. It has nothing to do with natural training

15-01-2006, 05:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	I would say and I think most others would agree that you need to switch your training around to shock your body and focus on hypertrophy. Post up your training and diet please.

15-01-2006, 05:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
devilsquest Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,161 Rep Power:	to right u need to keep your muscles guessin or they just get used to it and addapt and when this happerns you will not grow

16-01-2006, 12:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
devilsquest Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,161 Rep Power:	if you are takein all sets to failure maybe this is the problem???i know if i trained like this id not grow,just a thought ??maybe try not goin to failure for a while and see if you respond better

16-01-2006, 12:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Young Gun Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,539 Rep Power:	Sorry I cant read through all that and I'm not even gona try. Post it in a better format no offence. I don't just mean your lifts I just meant training frequency days on days off amount of sets and reps nto the actual weights. And diet is a bit more important. What your protein carb fat intake and ratio.