3 x 10 better for size than 4 x 6-8?

Young Gun

ahhhhhh sense. Thank god for that

groovyguy

If it makes any difference, I have a form of autism called Asperger's Syndrome, which is classed as a learning disability - it's difficult to explain how it affects understanding, but you know the 'instinctive', 'common sense' parts of the brain? They basically don't exist - people like me aren't good with shades of grey so to speak, and 'finding the right thing' or 'what comes naturally' is a virtual impossibility for us.
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/
http://users.wpi.edu/~trek/aspergers.html

I am not stupid, I am aware that to 'bulk', you need a significant calorie excess, and to 'cut', you need a deficit, but the belief is that I'd heard of by many on another board a while back was that a small enough deficit and a slow enough cut will allow some energy to go towards muscle gains - hell, last time I cut I went up on squats, SLDLs and calf-raises and I was only taking creatine with it. I never said '"bulk and cut"; I said "gain a slight amount of muscle", and that was an 'if'.

One's belief in something does not make them stupid; uneducated perhaps (or rather lacking knowedge in that area, I'm doing a degree but obviously not anythingregarding the human body, eh?). You say that everyone's different and yet many people disagree and say that one type of training is always more suited to a type of goal, and that in itself is another point of discussion. That's your opinion, and even if you are right which you may well be, that's what discussion is for isn't it? To explain how and why, not just blam blam blam 'actually it's this way, you should accept it' - you haven't once explained how or why it's that way bar the post you just made (and that wasn't hardcore evidence, just loose references), but you were irritated already because I didn't adopt your mode of thinking despite your lack of explanation as to why I should. Anyway, I thought one golden rule which applies to every BBer or strength trainer was not to train much past an hour (as it invites catabolicism) yet you know someone who trains for 2 - we are all human and therefore similar to some extent aren't we?

Nick, you make a point that it's not worth the energy to try and convince me, but I wasn't arguing the point blind; that was my belief. If I'm so obviously wrong, you could just tell me in what way I am wrong rather than call me moronic for saying that my belief like I'm some suicidal religious fundamentalist.

I wasn't looking for a hard and fast, just a point in the right direction and what to try if one thing isn't any good. As it is, I'm left pretty much more confused than before. And TBH, I'm getting pretty frustrated too. You're right; I won't bother coming back to the forum, I'll scour all these BBing sites for anything else, and decide on my own.

Young Gun

Ok I know I said no more replies but I now feel I have to. Ah hypocrisy

1. First of all and most importantly congratulations on your taking of a degree, I apologize if you can't handle concepts that are simply not black and white unfortuantely bodybuilding isn't. I wasn't aware Asperger's affected people like this I thought it was more concerned with an incapability to grasp social norms and interaction.

Secondly you said gaining lean muscle whilst cutting. You did not mention the word slight but no matter. This is possible simply as the more lean muscle you gain the more your bf drops as a ratio. And when just starting this is possible IMV. But at no other times

Thirdly training past an hour does not invite catabolism in everyone. Yes of course we are similar to some extent but very differnt in others. All you have to do to figure that out is look at the body compisiton of black 100m sprinters compared to white or asian 100m sprinters to know genetics play a very large role.

Fourthly I have already told you why you are wrong. You didn't listen that was Nick's point.

And Asperger's syndrome would make no difference to your capability to realize your bodily reaction to different methods of training all that requires is a tape measure a scale and a notebook.

You continually disagree and try to point out error's I make with incorrect statements that don't really prove anything

'You say that everyone's different and yet I thought one golden rule which aplies to every BBer or strength trainer was not to train much past an hour (as it invites catabolicism) yet you know someone who trains for 2 - we are all human and therefore similar to some extent aren't we? ' This proves my point. Yes you shouldn't train for over an hour is a base rule. As is get protein every 3 hours. But many guys I know train this way with good results. Some people high carbs works for others it doesn't.

Its different for everyone. To try and end this thread. Try training in a number of different ways to see what works for you. If you wish to have a detailed routine look up garry's beginners routine for exact guidance.

Mr Nice

You want to be silly ok.