3 x 10 better for size than 4 x 6-8?

crazycal1

i may be wrong ,but didnt nick increase lean muscle while cutting after his first superdrol cycle :?:

Young Gun

I don't mean to sound harsh mate but theres articles on every question you ask on almost every bodybuilding site there is. There is a poll on rep range from like a week ago on this board. Personally I think questions should be more a lack of understanding of something you are trying to grasp than just what rep range is best etc...

maintaining and gaining are not the same. You can work hard and if you get your cut spot on you can just about maintain your muscle mass but its incredibly difficult. You can't gain whilst cutting. Gaining requires a calorific excess which on a cut you won't have otherwise you won't lose fat

Nick500

i think this was because I really hit my legs hard and hadn't fully reached my plateau on them yet - my legs got a lot bigger on SD and continued that growth through PCT.

Yes i lost fat and gained muscle, but it was only over a short period of time, like 6 weeks.

To think that you can sustain it is pretty much impossible without shit loads of gear !

Nick

TheDaddy2003

if u always do 4 x 6/8 what you need is some variation. you can either do 3 x 10 for a couple of months, or do 3 x 10 with a couple of 1/2 or 3 rep maxes at the end.
Taking BenchPress as an example do 3 x 10 pyramid for example maybe you can only do 10 reps of 100kg, so dropping it do then to 90kg would allow you to do a further 10 then down to 80kg for your last set of 10.
Where as staying on the same weight wouldn't allow you to do 3 x 10.
This is still heavy training and will build strength and mass.
You can also use this method maybe do a starting weight of 100kg then do a 1 rep max at say 140kg.
Then drop back down to 100kg for 8.
Then upto 130kg for 1 or 2.
Then back down to 100kg for 6 etc, only thing that will limit your training is your imagination.
I never keep my training the same and always do the above on different weeks, so long as your putting on mass and you test your 1 rep max and it goes up every month you should come on just fine.

What ive been currently doing is before Christmas i was doing heavy 1 rep sets, 2 rep sets, 3 rep sets etc.

Then getting in some light 3 x 10 at the end of the same weight.

This side of Christmas im doing 3 x 10 only for a variation of at least 4 exercises on chest.
I still and will expect to increase in strength and size.

BTW, Mass goes hand in hand with Strength, if you put weight on you will put strength on.
Thats why you only see 20+stone strongmen, their bodyweight is what puts them in the league of strongman.

groovyguy

Yes, there are articles on every question you ask on almost every bodybuilding site, however there are also articles on other bodybuilding sites that contradict the other sites. I wanted to talk to real gym-goers like myself to see what their take on it is. Every question on MC can probably be answered on a bodybuilding site so perhaps we should just shut MC down?

A poll does nothing for explanation and I looked at it. Surely it's worth my time typing as I'm after reassurance and other people's time IF they want to contribute, if not they can ignore the thread?

I know that you can gain a small amount of muscle whilst cutting (http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/gain.htm/), with a smaller calorie deficit , cutting at a slower rate but that's beside the point... as I said earlier: "even if I was only trying to maintain, surely the best way to maintain...whilst cutting is going to be the same way as when not?", meaning that the best routine to cut with to prevent muscle loss would be the same one that promotes the best size gains if that is my non-cutting goal? Plus I won't be cuttin forever so why not get clued up now?

Yes they do but not necessarily in a ratio of 1:1, I wouldn't train if I only got bigger with no strength gains but muscle fibres can be stimulated in different ways to promote different results:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hale6.htm
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/vs.htm
http://www.illpumpyouup.com/articles...h-training.htm

Young Gun

Oh this is just getting ridiculous. That study was done with overweight individuals training for the first time. Yes in the first 6 months of training uncommon results will happen.

Secondly I already posted what bodybuilding sites are for. Grasping topics you have researched and are unsure of. IE. everybody says glutamin is crap but supplement companies say its awesome what have been peoples results with it.
Why do I have to take account of electrolytes when using MP.

And for crying out loud do some research. No the best routines when cutting are not the best routines when bulking for some people, they are for others. It depends. Some people drop volume in the weights room when cutting otherwise they overtrain and are continually falling into a state of catabolism due to the extra amount of cardio. Some don't.

There are thousands of articles written by real gym goers. They aren't all written by scientists.

Your starting to wind me up posting things I read about 4 years ago and attempting to contradict me (http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/gain.htm/), with ridiculous info.

Mr Nice

For size I use the 6-12 rep range to failure which uses the 2b anarobic fibers which are the best for growth.

groovyguy

That's a good point actually, they were beginners. Still, it the concept of gaining lean muscle whilst cuttig has been around for a while and is widely believed to be possible without supps.

Different routines when cutting seems to be what you are suggesting yet these guys have already advised me that probably isn't the case. http://www.musclechat.co.uk/viewtopi...213&highlight=

Regarding what muscle forums are for, my 'ignore it' point still stands, plus most of the people here to my knowledge are BBers yet I see alot of 4 x 6-8 stuff going around, hence my questions regarding 3 x 10 or higher, therefore I wanted to clarify that fact against what BBing sites say. Surely THAT'S a valid question?

I suggest you take a chill pill BTW; if I'm being so moronic why isn't everyone hounding me?

Mr. Nice, thanks - useful info.

Young Gun

Right last reply. No one with half a brain thinks its widely believed that you can cut and bulk at the same time its extremly difficult. To say its widely believed and has been for a while is a joke. It's also widely believed that glutamin works or that muscletech products are good.
The only people who believe this are either
1. Uneducated and pathetically hopeful
2. Extremly educated and can manipulate there body in this way
or 3. Genetically gifted and can do this from personal experience.

I didn't advise you to do anything I pointed out you MAY need to change because its about what works for you the replies in the thread you posted made that pretty clear.

Finally for ****s sake there isn't a holy grail to bodybuilding otherwise we would all train exactly the same way and all be competitors. People change reps, sets, time, carbs fats, proteins, sleep, supplements and many other variables. Some people have huge calves genetically some people have shit calves but there arms grow like weeds. The question whats the best routine, or should I do this etc is a joke because you can't ever say.

You can ask would this be overtraining do you guys think as I've been training for 6 weeks with x amount of sets and got no gains so something is wrong. I guy might say I do the same thing Iv'e gained 10 pounds. That doesn't mean its gonna work for you.

I know guys who train for 45 mins I know guys who train for 2 hours. I know guys who train 5 times a week, I know guys who train once every 4 days.

The guys who post 6 - 8 respond genetically better to this rep range. The guys who post 10 - 12 respond genetically better to this rep range. Its that simple. I will be completely ignoring your posts from now on as you have asked I should have done that when you started banging on about not eating chicken.

Nick500