is the tall guy stronger?

saj · 12-05-2005, 06:15 PM

what does everyone think about the length of the limbs in relation to the amount of weight one can lift.let me explain,say for example you have two people of the same weight and roughly the same age the one is taller than the other and his arms and legs are longer.
now these two people can lift the same amount of weight as each other but the taller guy has to move the same weight over a longer distance,
would it be right to say the taller guy is stronger?
i personaly think it would be right to say that, but i know some people disagree.

9519sam · 12-05-2005, 08:14 PM

thats a really good question
my first reaction to this would be to say if i saw 2 people lifting the same weight then they were equaly as strong as each other

but if you look at it mechanicaly then if two machines were lifting the same weight but one had to lift it higher than the other then that machine would need to be more powerfull than the other to do it

or scientificaly it would be Force = gravity (9.81newtons) X mass (weight lifted) X length (height of lift in meters)
which would tell you that more force was used to rais the weight higher

i think the transposition is right on that formular could be wrong my mind has gone numb :?

Sam 8)

Deadpool · 12-05-2005, 08:34 PM

if they were the same build though the taller guy would be heavier so his power to weight ratio would be lower.

For example two guys can lift say 200lbs, same build, but the taller guy weighs say 15 stone and the short guy weighs say 12 stone.

The taller guy is lifting less than his total body weight although he as to lift it further.

But the shorter guys is lifting a couple of stone more than he weighs.

In a weightlifting comp the shorter guy wins because hes lighter.

At the end of the day its swings and roundabouts.

The only way the taller man would be stronger is if was the same weight or lighter than the short guy.

garrilla · 13-05-2005, 11:06 AM

nature has a way of balanceing these things out, the taller guy does have a mechanical disadvantage bit then he will heve naturally larger muscles to compensate for this so id say the two guys were equally strong

divie · 13-05-2005, 04:20 PM

Im 6 ft 2 and 12 half stone and 12 half stone isnt a bad weight really for a 21 year old, but as im so tall if i want to look and be considered well built ive got to get to over 15 stone at least really which is a big ask for me, but a smaller guy of say 5 ft 9 12 half stone would make him look quite solid but im probably still considered skinny.So ,most of the time i wish i was shorter 5 ft 11 would of been nice, the only good thing at bieng tall is you never need to ask people for help to reach for the stuff on the top shelf, very rarely do i see a man over 6ft look well built.My ex boxing trainer said people with longer arms can dish out harder punches but i dont know how he came up with that conclusion and i didnt ask does anyone know?.SHORT IS THE NEW TALL

saj · 13-05-2005, 09:14 PM

in reply to your question divie i think the boxer with longer arms has a harder punch because his fist travels a further distance and as its traveling its picking up momentum so by the time it hits its target its got more power behind it.im not a dr of physics or anything thats just my theory.
as far as my question is concerned i think garry is right now i look at it from that angle,nature does have a way of balancing things out.

saj · 13-05-2005, 09:15 PM

in reply to your question divie i think the boxer with longer arms has a harder punch because his fist travels a further distance and as its traveling its picking up momentum so by the time it hits its target its got more power behind it.im not a dr of physics or anything thats just my theory.
as far as my question is concerned i think garry is right now i look at it from that angle,nature does have a way of balancing things out.

Deadpool · 14-05-2005, 12:09 AM

Power of a punch is generated by knowing how to put the entire strength of your body into your hand.

Tyson was a power puncher but quite short for a heavyweight.

Taller men have the advantage in boxing because of there reach there jabs do indeed carry more power cause they travel further imo, but if a short guy who is strong gets within that reach then the advantage is lost, but to do this the short guy has got to take a few.

People think I'm heavier than I am because of my height at 13 stone and 5ft 5in tall I look pretty big and guys who are over 6ft 2in and 15 stone actually look smaller than me in the gym.

But I still think a tall guy carries there weight better If I had a pound for everyone who saw me in a pair of tracksuit trousers and a baggy top and thought I was just a bit of a fat bastard I wouldn't need to work!

There always shocked when I take my top off and see that its not fat thats hiding under there.

9519sam · 14-05-2005, 06:09 AM

i was always told to punch through your oponent so i guess it may have something to do with that

if you think a short arm that only just makes contact wouldn't be as devestating and a longarm that still traveled 12 inches once it made contact

divie · 14-05-2005, 03:22 PM

Oh i agree that bieng tall is definatly an advantage in boxing, my first sparring partner was 5ft8 and he just couldnt connect as i was always out of his target zone but he was still in my target zone so i just picked him of whenever he tried to close in, we go seperated quite soon.However my oldman is 5ft 10 a fair bit shorter than me but he just keeps his chin down and comes at me and i dont like it as i like to fight at my distance because thats what im used to.To be a good short boxer i think youve got to be very brave and have a good chin coz like deadpool said your gonna get smacked before you get a punch in the shorter guy has to think more in the ring.

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saj Under Construction Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: birmingham Posts: 47 Rep Power:	is the tall guy stronger? what does everyone think about the length of the limbs in relation to the amount of weight one can lift.let me explain,say for example you have two people of the same weight and roughly the same age the one is taller than the other and his arms and legs are longer. now these two people can lift the same amount of weight as each other but the taller guy has to move the same weight over a longer distance, would it be right to say the taller guy is stronger? i personaly think it would be right to say that, but i know some people disagree.

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12-05-2005, 08:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
9519sam Making Progress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just outside Joe16's house! Posts: 573 Rep Power:	thats a really good question my first reaction to this would be to say if i saw 2 people lifting the same weight then they were equaly as strong as each other but if you look at it mechanicaly then if two machines were lifting the same weight but one had to lift it higher than the other then that machine would need to be more powerfull than the other to do it or scientificaly it would be Force = gravity (9.81newtons) X mass (weight lifted) X length (height of lift in meters) which would tell you that more force was used to rais the weight higher i think the transposition is right on that formular could be wrong my mind has gone numb :? Sam 8)

12-05-2005, 08:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Deadpool Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In my house Posts: 175 Rep Power:	if they were the same build though the taller guy would be heavier so his power to weight ratio would be lower. For example two guys can lift say 200lbs, same build, but the taller guy weighs say 15 stone and the short guy weighs say 12 stone. The taller guy is lifting less than his total body weight although he as to lift it further. But the shorter guys is lifting a couple of stone more than he weighs. In a weightlifting comp the shorter guy wins because hes lighter. At the end of the day its swings and roundabouts. The only way the taller man would be stronger is if was the same weight or lighter than the short guy.

13-05-2005, 11:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
garrilla Banned Making Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431 Rep Power:	nature has a way of balanceing these things out, the taller guy does have a mechanical disadvantage bit then he will heve naturally larger muscles to compensate for this so id say the two guys were equally strong

13-05-2005, 04:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	Im 6 ft 2 and 12 half stone and 12 half stone isnt a bad weight really for a 21 year old, but as im so tall if i want to look and be considered well built ive got to get to over 15 stone at least really which is a big ask for me, but a smaller guy of say 5 ft 9 12 half stone would make him look quite solid but im probably still considered skinny.So ,most of the time i wish i was shorter 5 ft 11 would of been nice, the only good thing at bieng tall is you never need to ask people for help to reach for the stuff on the top shelf, very rarely do i see a man over 6ft look well built.My ex boxing trainer said people with longer arms can dish out harder punches but i dont know how he came up with that conclusion and i didnt ask does anyone know?.SHORT IS THE NEW TALL

13-05-2005, 09:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
saj Under Construction Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: birmingham Posts: 47 Rep Power:	in reply to your question divie i think the boxer with longer arms has a harder punch because his fist travels a further distance and as its traveling its picking up momentum so by the time it hits its target its got more power behind it.im not a dr of physics or anything thats just my theory. as far as my question is concerned i think garry is right now i look at it from that angle,nature does have a way of balancing things out.

13-05-2005, 09:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
saj Under Construction Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: birmingham Posts: 47 Rep Power:	in reply to your question divie i think the boxer with longer arms has a harder punch because his fist travels a further distance and as its traveling its picking up momentum so by the time it hits its target its got more power behind it.im not a dr of physics or anything thats just my theory. as far as my question is concerned i think garry is right now i look at it from that angle,nature does have a way of balancing things out.

14-05-2005, 12:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
Deadpool Making Progress Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In my house Posts: 175 Rep Power:	Power of a punch is generated by knowing how to put the entire strength of your body into your hand. Tyson was a power puncher but quite short for a heavyweight. Taller men have the advantage in boxing because of there reach there jabs do indeed carry more power cause they travel further imo, but if a short guy who is strong gets within that reach then the advantage is lost, but to do this the short guy has got to take a few. People think I'm heavier than I am because of my height at 13 stone and 5ft 5in tall I look pretty big and guys who are over 6ft 2in and 15 stone actually look smaller than me in the gym. But I still think a tall guy carries there weight better If I had a pound for everyone who saw me in a pair of tracksuit trousers and a baggy top and thought I was just a bit of a fat bastard I wouldn't need to work! There always shocked when I take my top off and see that its not fat thats hiding under there.

14-05-2005, 03:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
divie Making Progress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: somerset Posts: 436 Rep Power:	Oh i agree that bieng tall is definatly an advantage in boxing, my first sparring partner was 5ft8 and he just couldnt connect as i was always out of his target zone but he was still in my target zone so i just picked him of whenever he tried to close in, we go seperated quite soon.However my oldman is 5ft 10 a fair bit shorter than me but he just keeps his chin down and comes at me and i dont like it as i like to fight at my distance because thats what im used to.To be a good short boxer i think youve got to be very brave and have a good chin coz like deadpool said your gonna get smacked before you get a punch in the shorter guy has to think more in the ring.