Weight Poll

divie

Agreed steve, it is safer starting a thew sets light, but if you warm up well going straight in to heavy-light is ok for me.
EXACTLYWHAT i know you didnt call anyone a pussy i was refering to that profesinoal BB quate you explained on your post hes the prick as it was his quote not yours,peace.Like you said take it with a pinch of salt m8, .
I think my first post hits the nail on the head, by the looks of it theres nothing new coming in, id like to hear more on the advantages of light to heavy as at present it just looks like every one does it this way but doesnt know why.Im not asking which is best im just curious of the advantages of light-heavy so i can give it a try one day and mayby get more gains, but im not going to bother wasting time on light sets if injury is the only pro as warm up is good enougth in my opinion. :?

exaktlywhat

agreed, the only reason ive ever gone light to heavy is to wear down the muscle b4 i put the big strain on. then again i also do burnout sets and things like 21's which the guys in my gym tell me im crazy for as they do nothing, but if i hit a point where nothing is hurting my arms (granted i can actually lift the weight) and they arent sore the next day, ill do a burnout on my next arm day or to shock chest ill do a burnout once a month. so i take a much more abstract approach to my bb, not a ton of structure, i stick with the meat and potatos like bench and curls and squats, but i like to throw in things to keep it fresh, i get bored with monotany. maybe i should try something more routine.

What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another. Altering from time to time may help you benefit from either. Personally I allways start as heavy as I can pushing for 6-8 reps which should give me failure, reducing the weight on next sets to give enough reps again but still to failure on every set.

tom84

sorry to rekindle this ive been away for a while. For a start gotta agree Lee Priest is a bit of a prick but he has some balls posting his off season photos so hell what he says goes.

As far as the actual q. Id never push to failure on every set. Certainly not the first and i usually just ease off very slightly just 1 rep lower than failure if i know im doing a particularly heavy set next.

I usually start about 75% then increase. 2 sets at this weight. The first being 1 rep more then a heavy set then either repeat it or drop down and pump out depending on how i feel. Althou this is just what i do most typically i change it up all the time.

Divie not to criticise bro i know we have argu,ments in the past had seen as we both have that great bodybuilding temper (its what makes us succeed) but u really shouldnt be doing less reps on the same weight to any significant degree. Like sure we all might push the occasional 8 then 6 and 1 spotted. But not 12 to 6-8 the heavy set in this instance ie the 6-8 range is not heavy enough if u can manage 12 reps on the same weight take a longer rest between sets. I remember reading in the rest time post a while back that yours were very short try resting longer this way your weights wil increase more and u will get stronger. My difference between 12 reps and 6 reps for say shoulders is 50kg for 12 to 75kg for 6 a good 33% more.

As for advantages of light to heavy heavy. Starting heavy personally i wouldnt be able to push out the same weight on my heavy sets ie 3-5 reps. Your muscles are to cold (very technical term there hope u know what i mean) at this point or i find this. And yeah your much more likely to get injured. Also the earlier sets are still to failure in a 5 set routine barring usually the first they just serve a different equally as important purpose. Earlier sets will usually be performed with a better range of movement in better form producing a better contraction. All far more important than lifting super heavy weights for muscle growth.

Just ask Jay Cutler that dude lifts some light arse weights on occasions for his size and dont think id complain if i was robbed of the olmypia recently and was no. 2 in the world.

Hope that helps. peace.

divie

I dont make a habit of sticking with the same weight, its just if im trying a new exercisse i might lift too little and get to 8 reps easily but because i havn't reached failure ill keep on until i do reach failure, then in the next set ill stay with the same weight or add more but my reps should come down to 6 again.It was just a bad example of goals and reps should be include into this topic when answering it.
To be honest i dont know f**k all anyway, ill stick to asking the questions as im in no position to offer any advice.However im happy with how quickly im learning as compared to the average joe.I met a friend(BB) of the family recently and he came from 11 stone (6 ft) to 18 stone and he reckons im doing well which has given me some hunger again, but he did confuse me even more as he recons i should be doing a 4 or 5 day split and he was encouraging me to do dianobal as he recons he gained 2 stone in 4 weeks :shock:
Anyway if i disagree with anybody on this forum again remind me im a novice tom.
PS Im thinking of doing a slow 12 reps but light weight to start of with then 2 heavy sets after sticking with garys routine (3 day fb workout)

garrilla

divie, you got everything spot on mate, i couldn't add anything to what you have said and i know exactly what you mean about trying a new exercise and finding you shud have gone heavier first set so you stick with that weight on the second, do exactly the same.

how are your gains coming along, i admit i find it hard to keep track of all the guys following my routine so let me know how your doing and where your at now as well as how long you've been training.

alot of guys swap to a split to soon because they think it makes them sound like a more advanced trainer, but its not neccessary i stuck with the routine your on till i got to about 15 stone and 18.5 inch arms at which point i needed to reduce the frequency of my training but increase the intensity of each workout. be judged by the muscle you build, not the routine you use.

divie

Toms putting some pics of me on the forum soon gary so that will show you how its going.Ive put on 2 stone since november 04 and my body fat aint gone up too much, i think ive come from a skinny bloke to an average size now.

Im happy with your routine and its all ive done.I am definatly a novice but every BB i speak to outside of the internet says i should be doing a 5 day so this last month ive been confused, but im going to stick with your routine for probably another year at least and i prefer 3 day workout at the mo as it trains your muscles more often mayby not so intense as a 5 day but thats obvious.

PS when i got to 12 stone a couple months back i cut back on food and wanted to stay at 12 stone and did, but im putting on the weight again and my long term goals are to get as big as i can, hopefully add at least 1-2 stone every year.Its hit me that it can be done over time and settiling for a pathetic 12 stone is a wimps exscuse.
Ive added the shoulder presses back to my routine and im not going to bother listening to BB i know outside of this forum as half of them dont seem to know much.
Cheers gary

exaktlywhat

what is a stone...16lbs?

divie

14 lbs in a stone m8

exaktlywhat

see, i was close. im trying but you know, even though we speak the same language (which i question sometimes) we have a different word for everything! thanks for setting my uneducated american cranium straight! now if only i can figure out that damn metric system you use!!!