A lot of questions: Shoulders....routines and broadnesd....

mutley

Hi Anil,

Some pretty good advice has been given here, but of all of the advice that you have been given, I hope you listen to Garry's...If you don't do so now, you'll get there eventually by yourself eventually

Just a comment from you old routine. 5 seperate exercises on the bicep ? Such a small muscle group, should be fatigued by 2 exercises/ 3-4 sets each - as long as you are applying the correct form, intensity and focus.

Your diet is light, but you were drastically overtraining as well. You obviously have drive which is great, but just getting your diet in order without engaging in a decent routine won't sort your problem.

All of the components need to be right for bodybuilding to work as efficiently as possible, and it is a fact that it's how you treat your body outside of the gym that has the greatest effect.

Some guy on here has a sig that says 50% of bodybuilding is nutrition and 50% is not overtraining. 100% True and always worth bearing in mind.

Good Luck. It takes a bit of courage to cut back on your routine if you are overtraining because you are concerned it will have a negative effect, but you won't regret it...

MrSkinny

howdy all,
Thanutz, your not alone, I made the exact same mistake as you did. I started training at 17/18 (i.m 31 now) and have been training on and off for most of this time. when I was in my early 20's I did 4-day-a-week split routines at about 2 hours at a time with 2 further days of intense cardio work. Was very cut but no mass at all. Way too many exercises per body part. And as I was only getting marginal gains, I got really frustrated at this lack of gain so started training much harder until I was totally exhausted after each session. Definetly over trained. Also never touched creatine/protein shakes. What a tit'ead eh


I think Gary and the other guys are right. don't really matter how long you train, one can still make the basic mistakes over and over again. Even though I have been training for a relatively long time I consider my self as beginner (maybe to intermediate). I think its because there is so much crap advice about and a lot is aimed at serious bodybuilders. Interestingly enough I have been back 2 months now after gap of 2 years. I have been reading a lot of the posts and taken advice on board. I have reached my max weight ever (might be a bit more body fat going on now, though). Nowhere near as much strength as before but getting there. This is where a log book helps. I was looking at it last night. In 1995 I used to do 3 sets of 12, 140kg deep squats and I am 6'3" and have skinny legs. Now I'd image its like 100kg (don't do them though)

Finally, I really recommend doing proper form and avoiding the bad exercises as thebigskev says. I totally f#cked my back up years ago through poor squat and sit ups. I ended up off work for 9 months due to ruptered 3 disks and damaged sciatic nerves. My spinal cord was left permanently damaged and some exercises I cannot possible do.

Also used to have a shoulder pain. In the gym one day, a guy suggested it might be due to lat pulls behind the head. He was right, when I stopped in went away!

Thats my 2 cents worth

cheers all