A lot of questions: Shoulders....routines and broadnesd....

Anonymous

BUMP TO GAR 8472

as for press behind neck, pull downs behind neck and upright rowing.... bin them!

if you want more width to your shoulders do nice strict lateral raises.
btw is that your gixer in your pic???

tom84

Hey Gary im not criticising what u said when i disagree but i personally know anil so have am at an advantage in that respect when commenting on him. First he's not what i would consider a begginner he has slightly different goals to many bodybuilders but he's been training for 4 years on and off and a year solid, i know bcoz i train with him pretty regularly.
I think hes probably a bit more advanced and can cope with a greater workload than the begginners standard 3 days a week compound exercises focused routines. And I know the last thing he was doing was ignoring any1's advice. Just my short two cents worth I just really think that the last thing he wants to be doing is cutting down his gym time so drastically overtraining sucks its just an excuse to go home and not work as intensely IMO but then this is what works 4 me personally i respond better to a higher volume of exercise. Anil u may wanna consider giving a go to this for a few months to c where it takes u but im not sure it will help u achieve what u want. Ah well it will give u more time to go out and study (wel actually just go out) take it easy mate.

Benji

This should come with time, don't fall in to the trap alot of people fall into and work these body parts too much and overtrain them, causing them to grow even slower! Just make sure you hit them hard and concetrate on incresing lifts each workout.

thanutz

Thanks guys for all ure advice:
Benjy
new routine starts next week aside from food which starts now...i just dont wanna loose what i have now cos i can dip with 30 kgs 3 sets of 8 ( abit of stuggle towards the end) with a belt...im just scared of loosing my gains!!!

Gymwear
I do lateral raises at the moment.... what sort of weight are we talking about....i cand 15kgs on each arm but my technique is often 2 fast and perhaps isnt uasing the right muslces...shall i just stick to tens and be slow and controlled????i think thats a suilly question but always nice for some confirmation. why bin those excercises are they no good...i can dumbell press quite alot when som1 is there as i get worried some times and need help in case i drop it...Any shoulder excercises u wanna recommened.. .as for the gsxr yp its my baby only had here sicne decmeber had a 400 b4 i think ill stick to a 600 though may 750 when im much much older...but prob not...do u ride??? oh and whats BUMP Gar 8472???? sorry if im being thick

Tom 84
I def think my food intake is a majour prob...i didnt change irt much when i was cutting to building so am gonna increase. its all a learnign curve and my intial trainign had no movement cos i was lacking knowledge that i am now gaining...thanks for all the support big man!

Cheers every1

Garry_8472

Dont worry you didn't offend anyone, and what i ment by ignoring advice is the fact that alot of guys start training and believe the more you do the better the results, and for most things in life thats true the more effort the more reward but they get stuck in the mind set of more is better its not not for bodybuilding anyway.

Weather your classed as a begginer or intermediate or advanced isn't determined by how long you've been training but by how much you know and how you apply that knowledge. An intermediate will have a full routione worked out that works for them and is producing steady good results and will understand why its working. You are still confused and don't really sound like you are sure of any of the basic principles.

I'm 37 I've been training since i was 17 i've made alot of mistakes and learned from them. From 16 to 30 i read just about every bodybuilding mag that was printed I read them over and over making sure i absorbed every usefull bit of information i know what im talking about.

I've already told you what to do the routine i told you about is exactly what you need its up to you what you do with the information but i'm not gunna repeat my self. You say your going to try it and in the same sentence say that your going to add to it by training "hidden" muscle groups on weekends, which changes the routine immediately. what are these hidden muscle groups.

PS. press behind neck is a great exercise for rear delts and traps. I never train shoulder without it.

thanutz

Hey Gary,

I said hidden muscle groups as a suggestion and wanted a response to it. And i didnt mean both days just one...sorry wasnt clear. So what do u suggest i do for my shoulders??? No one has suggested a compound excercise i should do to see/obtain the most gains. The behind the neck press is the only excercise i was getting pains from, i dont know why i usually dont get aches n pains so was obviously concerned. Like u say i need knowledge which is what im trying to gain....I never once questioned ure knwoledge gary, your more experienced, which is why im grateful for ure advice.

Thanks
Anil

Garry_8472

Dont get me wrong bud, I know I don't always come across how I mean to in text but every thing i say is in good humour.

Where are the pains you get when pressing behind neck in your traps, delts tris joints or muscles. These pains can be the result of over training.

Shoulder presses are the best overall exercise for the delts, but if you cant use it to work the rear head what about bent over laterals they hit the rear heads too.

I'm going to work out a full new routine for guys who won't use the other one because they think its not advanced enough for them (though that exact routine got me to 18.5 inch arms and a 90kg for 10 reps shoulder press) I'll make it a split routine i'll post it in the next few days depends on my spare time. I'll post here again when its done.

Olorin

Check out this site:

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Olorin

Did some Arnold presses today after looking at this site, they seem a lot tougher the normal dumb bell press. Mabye I'll end up with shoulders like the big man himself... or mabye not

thanutz

Olorin that sites really good shows u everything! Thanks Gary...

Anil