affects on muscle gains from too much cardo ?

johnlp · 15-01-2005, 10:57 PM

hi every one my aim to become fit and gain decent muscle size and definition. if i train to much cardio will i not achieve as good muscle gains and if i do too much weights i will not be able to become as fit . how many times of of each types of work outs do you recomend so they both become balanced

i was thinking of just using my weights at home every three days and doing cardio three times a week for around an hour.

thanks every one

zx9rjas · 16-01-2005, 01:52 PM

You do need a balance between the two otherwise too much cardio will catabolise the muscle.
3 days of each is fine but cut the cardio to 30 mins max, and vary the intensity from sesson to session.
Also for muscle groth you must allow for the fact that you will need extra calories for the weight training and especially the cardio. About 500-700 calories per day more than you are consuming now.
Aim for 6-10 reps in the weight training, starting with a whole body workout each session, ie legs, back chest shoulders and arms giving each bodypart 3-4 sets to begin with.
PM me if you need help

J

Anonymous · 16-01-2005, 04:13 PM

yeah i agree with zx9rjas

keep the cardio to a minimum, you will gain more muscle this way.

Anonymous · 16-01-2005, 04:25 PM

i agree, but make sure you don't do what i did and interpret the 'cardio to a minimum' as a 5 min warm-up on the treadmill and nothing more!

i slacked on cardio big time over the last few months and payed the price in fat gain, lost half a stone of fat while cutting 4-5 months back and now i'm back where i started again because i cut all my cardio out in an attempt to pack on muscle

cardio is very important, 2 sessions a week minimum at no longer than 20mins should be fine, this won't interfere with muscle gains

peace

Nick500 · 17-01-2005, 06:48 PM

hi every1, sorry i haven't posted for so long

I'm on a cut at the moment and i'm aiming for 1 hour of low intensity cardio (keeping heart rate at 135 - 140 i.e. the fat burning zone for my age ) each day, combining this with only 30 minutes of weights or even less (but very intense) just to make sure I dont lose any muscle, eating very high protein, low-ish carbs and low fat per day.

What i've found which has been surprising is that I am still hurting majorly in the areas that i have been training. This is a shock because previously only when I do ridiculously long days of training and very intense do I seem to hurt a lot in the muscle area (and this is good after gym pain i'm talking about not weird pain).

I feel much more healthy too and ephedrine is definitely taking well to me, aside from the sideeffects downstairs, which is very frustrating but going to get my hands on some tribulus to try and sort it out. although the negative effects seemed to have lessened compared to last time I cut.

So although i'm not having a particularly muscle-building time at the moment i think i'm doing a sensible cut, and because i'm not training in too high an intensity on the cardio i'm unlikely to catabolise the muscle as u say J.

Tell me if i'm wrong tho.

thx guys

nick

mark · 17-01-2005, 08:26 PM

Are you sure it is eph that you have got? I have never experienced any problems down stairs on it.

Is this a usual thing? anyone else had it?

Nick500 · 17-01-2005, 09:03 PM

yeah i use ephedra from holland with caffein and asprin.

some people on here have said it has caused similar problems, but doesn't happen to every1.

just one of those things i spose !

nick

mark · 17-01-2005, 10:00 PM

well you leran something new every day. Are these pre mixed in a capsule form or a powder?

tom84 · 17-01-2005, 10:12 PM

its the powder ive used his eph was very strong and very depessing but god does it work for him

Nick500 · 17-01-2005, 11:43 PM

yeah its a disgusting tasting black powder, i bought some asprin tablets (stupidly cheap too only 1.50 for 300 pills or something) and then have a coffee

15-01-2005, 10:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
johnlp Under Construction Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power:	affects on muscle gains from too much cardo ? hi every one my aim to become fit and gain decent muscle size and definition. if i train to much cardio will i not achieve as good muscle gains and if i do too much weights i will not be able to become as fit . how many times of of each types of work outs do you recomend so they both become balanced i was thinking of just using my weights at home every three days and doing cardio three times a week for around an hour. thanks every one

16-01-2005, 01:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
zx9rjas Making Progress Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 343 Rep Power:	You do need a balance between the two otherwise too much cardio will catabolise the muscle. 3 days of each is fine but cut the cardio to 30 mins max, and vary the intensity from sesson to session. Also for muscle groth you must allow for the fact that you will need extra calories for the weight training and especially the cardio. About 500-700 calories per day more than you are consuming now. Aim for 6-10 reps in the weight training, starting with a whole body workout each session, ie legs, back chest shoulders and arms giving each bodypart 3-4 sets to begin with. PM me if you need help J ______________________ 50% of bodybuilding is nutrition 50% of body building is not overtraining If you cant gain see the above

17-01-2005, 06:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	hi every1, sorry i haven't posted for so long I'm on a cut at the moment and i'm aiming for 1 hour of low intensity cardio (keeping heart rate at 135 - 140 i.e. the fat burning zone for my age ) each day, combining this with only 30 minutes of weights or even less (but very intense) just to make sure I dont lose any muscle, eating very high protein, low-ish carbs and low fat per day. What i've found which has been surprising is that I am still hurting majorly in the areas that i have been training. This is a shock because previously only when I do ridiculously long days of training and very intense do I seem to hurt a lot in the muscle area (and this is good after gym pain i'm talking about not weird pain). I feel much more healthy too and ephedrine is definitely taking well to me, aside from the sideeffects downstairs, which is very frustrating but going to get my hands on some tribulus to try and sort it out. although the negative effects seemed to have lessened compared to last time I cut. So although i'm not having a particularly muscle-building time at the moment i think i'm doing a sensible cut, and because i'm not training in too high an intensity on the cardio i'm unlikely to catabolise the muscle as u say J. Tell me if i'm wrong tho. thx guys nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

17-01-2005, 09:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	yeah i use ephedra from holland with caffein and asprin. some people on here have said it has caused similar problems, but doesn't happen to every1. just one of those things i spose ! nick ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

17-01-2005, 10:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
tom84 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 329 Rep Power:	its the powder ive used his eph was very strong and very depessing but god does it work for him ______________________ In This country you gotta make the money 1st, then when u get the money, u get the power, then when u get the power, u get the woman.

16-01-2005, 04:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	yeah i agree with zx9rjas keep the cardio to a minimum, you will gain more muscle this way.

16-01-2005, 04:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anonymous Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 0 Rep Power:	i agree, but make sure you don't do what i did and interpret the 'cardio to a minimum' as a 5 min warm-up on the treadmill and nothing more! i slacked on cardio big time over the last few months and payed the price in fat gain, lost half a stone of fat while cutting 4-5 months back and now i'm back where i started again because i cut all my cardio out in an attempt to pack on muscle cardio is very important, 2 sessions a week minimum at no longer than 20mins should be fine, this won't interfere with muscle gains peace

17-01-2005, 08:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
mark Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 365 Rep Power:	Are you sure it is eph that you have got? I have never experienced any problems down stairs on it. Is this a usual thing? anyone else had it?

17-01-2005, 10:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
mark Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 365 Rep Power:	well you leran something new every day. Are these pre mixed in a capsule form or a powder?

17-01-2005, 11:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,230 Rep Power:	yeah its a disgusting tasting black powder, i bought some asprin tablets (stupidly cheap too only 1.50 for 300 pills or something) and then have a coffee ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

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