Extreme Fury

crazycal1

i havent actually noticed much difference in muscle pumps, but its a very good aid to a good workout.
i usually do a home made eca stack and havent bothered since ive started using it.
its got a full dose of kre alk in it which i really rate(along with the other stuff)

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

Tall

Do you train for the pump though Cal...?

crazycal1

not usually.
i`m just doing some light workouts at the mo-
comprehensive full body with some preexhaust for the chest and shoulders.
i am getting a pump,but havent got much to compare it too.
i do usually get a pump but not to the degree of some.
i`m treating it as a preworkout thing.

einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know.

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

LeeB

i think it all depends on your goals. im personally very sceptical about products which dont do anything other than pump you up or fill you out... and have used things like no-explode in the past to see what the fuss was about... they worked, but then the next day i was also extremely watery!

i think it would be quite hard for anyone to comment on gains in this thread seen as most people have only used it for a small number of workouts.. its NOT a miracle supplement.

i think for someone who is happy with their training the way it is then really there is no point - so if that is you ali - fair play to you mate... for a competitive bodybuilder on a contest diet an improved pump is something that many actually WOULD pay good money for!

noone has claimed that this product will pack on 22lb in 6 weeks or anything like that - just that it does what it is meant to do very very well!! which is give you a good ump and help with teh intensity of your workouts. why not try it ali before writing it off?

Young Gun

for a competitive bodybuilder on a contest diet an improved pump is something that many actually WOULD pay good money for!

Why? Is there any evidence that this helps muscle growth. I get that 'the pump' is positive for bodybuilding psychology and also in terms of placebo effects but in terms of scientific growth mechanisms is there any evidence?

If it aids during a workout in terms of energy thats an obvious benefit but that wasn't what Ali asked about.

Rianabol

Young Gun

I am currently precontest just over 2 weeksout to be exact, and ill tell u the psychological boost u get from being pumped while on low carbs is of great benefit, plus it allows u to see the vascularity which is practically impossible on a low carb regime. I will use this product as an aid before i go on stage rather than the usual alcohol,niacin and chocolate regime. I dont expect atthis point to gain muscle but to feel pumped and look well keeps the mind games at bay which are prevalent for the competitor before show time.

Just my 2 cents

R

LeeB

yer when your pre-contest you still get a good pump (at least i know i do) but it just isnt the same as the pumps you get when your bulking and pushing your heaviest weights... psychologically contest dieting is VERY difficult for many people to deal with and the prospect of having a session where you feel full and pumped all over is an appealing one believe me!

having an increased pump does not itself increase muscle growth, but when your on a contest diet (especially a few weeks out) if your concerened about muscle growth youve got your diet t*ts up! lol

id say the pump is just one factor of many for muscle growth, diet, rest, effective intense training etc. etc. obviously the more blood flowing through the muscle the more nutrients are getting there too.. or if the pump is just an increase in water then the muscle is getting stretched further than normal... personally as i have said im a little sceptical as to just how much of an impact this can make toward muscle growth...

but if you want to look and feel noticeably bigger and fuller whilst training (whether contest dieting or just training for size) then fury from my experience will work very well!

Extreme

I seem to have upset people by saying Ali's post was dumb, he asked if we're "prepared to pay for better pumps", I think its pretty obvious that people are with all the NO2, Arginine based pre workout formulas on the market, so that to me makes it a dumb question. Whether Ali is or not is his own decision and I never said Ali was dumb.

Young Gun, you asked if there is any proof to support a pump product leading to more size, I can't honestly say if there is or not BUT I do believe that by engorging the muscle with blood and stretching the muscle membrane (fascia) you do then increase the potential absorption of protein and water absorption that comes as a direct response to resistance training. Thus allowing more muscle growth quicker.

Now before I'm shot down for not having quoted links to studies to support this theory I will say that in cellular biochemistry it is aknowledged if a cell membrane can be stretched cell growth will be easier. As each muscle is full of individual cells which are little more than amino acids, water, a nuclei and a membrane which isconstructed from essential fats the theory should hold true for the greater unit i.e. the muscle itself.

In bodybuilding people hypothesize over many issues bcos real scientific eveidence will never prove or disprove the theory due to the large science based companies not caring bcos they make no money in this field, the government not caring due to them having real issues to work and spend money on like cancer, aids, heart disease, parkinsons disease and a plethora of others.

So no govmt body will fund irrelevant research for topics which matter to a handfullof people. I know we spent £45 000 on a research program involving Build & Recover, as far as I'm aware no other British supplement company has done anything like this, conjecture and flaky science along with a well known pro is more likely to sell goods.

When working on Fury I wanted to produce something that was not full of stimulants and I wanted to use ingredients that are medically regarded rather than following the rest of the sheep and just doing our version of what everyone else is doing.

I didn't want something that would negatively effect your sleep pattern or give you the jitters or a "come down" but something that would give you an insane pump, I'm really proud to say I think I've managed it.

wogihao

I know that for my pre-contest prep I will be useing everything to get good pump look pre contest lol OTC/UTC Damm if it makes even 2% diffrence to the look then its worth it.

Young Gun

Thats a good post Doug. Fair play and I wasn't trying to be provocative. I just think personally that as you obviously put quite a lot of effort into the products you make you should give more detailed analysis of them more often on the board.