SAN endotest pro

razg

If you can neither:

1) Show bloodwork whereby Endotest has raised your T levels.
2) Provide human studies showing the above.

Your assertions that it raises test levels are worth nothing. Your comments about other libido enhancers are similiarly lacking, as many revolve around non-androgen systems like PDE, dopamine, and serotonin to cite just a few examples.

sitries

neil. do you have a cheap source for this stuff?? i might give it a go. cheers

Neil R

Unfortunatley not sitries, but if you scan the ol' tinternet I'm sure you'll find 'em at a reasonable price.

Razg...why would I need to do either of those things?
Every supplement company that sells a test booster all use the same ingredients. And every supplement seller sells them...time and time again. Why? Because people find that they work!! Simple as. If they don't work for you, don't use them, but theirs hundreds of thousands of people for whom they do work. So let them try, if they don't work for them, they don't need to try them again either.
Probelm solved

razg

People buy fake AAS all the time. Not because it works, but rather they don't know what they are buying is total crap - same principle.

Neil R

I would agree with you on that, if it wasn't for the fact that the supplement industry IS regulated, and if any of the supplement companies couldn't validate their claims then they would be sued to kingdom come & back again....especially in the states.

Remember the old 'worldwide - protein bars'?? Don't see much of them anymore. Mainly due to the lawsuit that was filed against them coz they didn't have in them what the label claimed....costing them over $1million in court fines.
This is why I opt to give them the benefit of the doubt. If it was just one supplement company making claims about Trib, Longjack etc, then yeah I'd wanna be seeing proof. But as their are dozens, some of which have highly esteemed gents working on their research team (such as Dr Bruce Kneller who is on the research team for Gaspari Nutrition) and they are making the statements then......


You know Razg, if you can prove these are total sh1te then you could sue these companies and be a multi millionaire. Just think succesful lawsyuits agains Muscletech, Twinlab, Gaspari, CNP....damn that'd be some cash!!

Ali M

err, suppliment companies are regulated? dont think they are in the UK mate, which therefore allows them to sell bullshit products.

Neil R

You obviously fail to realise that the vaste majority of supplement companies are AMERICAN. Who are regulated by the FDA. therefore they are regulated for export too.

But my offer still stands...if you think you can prove these do not work then sue the damn companies!! Its as simple as that.
The fact that no-one has put forth any proof that they don't work tells me a lot.

I'm obviously wasting my time trying to get anyone to understand so I'm withdrawing from this thread. I'd be grateful if no-one else posted continuining too as it is just going round in circles. (Yes, i'm moderating myself!)

If ANYTHING doesn't work for you, as an individual, then don't use it. If it does work...use it. It is that simple, really!!!