Weight increase without a gym

Bodyworks

body fat will come off when you start dieting. cholesterol ? every food you can list has potentially negative effects somewhere or other. i know the approach of 'just eat everything' is unpopular on message boards, but you wanna grow, it works. trust me. what gains will eating brown rice and sweet poatoes give you that you won't get from eating breads, pizza's or whatever? you are more likely to gain body fat by eating these foods, true. but i'd contest you could add as much muscle in any given time period, then drop the excess body fat you've gained, and have achieved all this quicker by eating this way than you could by eating strictly 'clean' foods, and adding mass whilst keeping body fat low. in terms of health, it's a crap shoot. but i'm not talking about being healthy, i'm talking about adding mass. eating whole foods won't make you gain muscle. this is often misunderstood. staying super clean with your diet when trying to bulk i just don't understand. sorry.

Tall

I wont argue with you BW - you are far far more advanced at this Iron game than I am, but I've never heard anyone recommend that before.

Then again I suppose it would all depend on how often you worked out and wether you beleive that Sat Fat by increasing Cholesterol Levels, releases DHEA, which releases androstenedione which releases Test...

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Neon123

I think this may have been due to an increased water intake too. Over last few days it has been getting hotter here in London, so I drink more water and the rice, so..
This is also why I would prefer to eat healthy foods, unfortunately in my case, the fat does not spread over my whole body, it seems like most of it sits comfortably in my belly.

Bodyworks

sorry dude, we hijacked your thread for a while there. by all means, eat healthy food. it is good for you after all. but understand this basic premise, you need to eat more calories than you have been. if you eat more calories than you burn off, you will gain body fat. whether or not those calories come from brown rice or white bread and chocolate spread.

Tall

Bodyworks - Would something as simple as a stack of Chicken sarnies on Wholemeal bread with real butter combined with a couple of high cal protein shakes per day strike a balance between eating 'clean' and getting him eating?

Tall

Thats the case for most men genetically.

Women get it on the hips, bum and thighs, we get it on the belly.

(yes I know this is a generalisation, but it is a fairly commonly accepted one)

Bodyworks

i think you're looking at this and overcomplicating something that is very simple. we all know about the bodys' requirements of fat, protein and carbohydrates in order to grow. basically, it needs em. you wanna grow lots, eat lots of em. find the biggest, hugest muscled freak you know, and watch him eat. if he doesn't level you for staring at him, you'll notice he eats a lot of food. if he's not dieting, i'll bet he's not eating dry chicken breast and brown rice. it's more likely to be steak pie and peas. i know from my own experience that the big guys EAT. don't believe the hype that bodybuilders eat dry turkey and baked potato every day of their lives. some do maybe, but they are the exception rather than the rule. don't belive me ? look into it. forget what the pro's claim in the mags or on their websites. look further and you'll find articles where they are honest about their eating habits. and with the exception of jay cutler, all those guys eat for fun.

Tall

Very interesting BW.

This is going to come across as though I'm picking a fight - which I'm not, but would you not say that users of AAS on cycle would have different dietry requirements to those who don't use AAS?

I'm throwing down about 5000kcals per day down my neck, and if I didnt eat 'clean' for those 5000kcal I think I'd put on fat.

Then again it begs the question that given I'm only working out twice a week, could I eat what I wanted and tones of it if I worked out more... Odds are the answer is yes (but I think I would still gain some fat), but I wonder what my recovery capabilities would be like.

My main concern is I don't find it that easy to get fat off, and I don't like dieting and/or cardio (hence my other post on cutting...)

rawresultsgym

you say u dont find it easy to get fat off, but you have never had a large amount of muscle mass before and just having that makes you burn fat easyer, i tried the eat BIG clean way and its alot of food to eat clean and hi cals but it didnt get me anywhere fast, throw in afew pizzas and things and ive shot up and havent put on any fat that bothers me for how much muscle i have gained

Bodyworks

ok. this is the crux of the issue. is your diet posted up anywhere TH&S so i can have a shufty ? i wanna know how you come to the conclusion that 5000kcals from rice and chicken won't cause you put on body fat, but if you ate 5000kcals from other foods it would.