What is evryones opinion on GAKIC?

Quadzilla · 09-07-2006, 09:19 AM

Hi guys just thought i'd start a conversation if anyone hasn't yet about GAKIC.

What are everyones opinions on it?

One of my staff had a big monster from Cananda come into the shop the other day and swear by the stuff, the guy has been using this in the states for some time and had said that it was so effective he had stopped using AAS and now used Gakic instead, he was so pleased to see it being sold in the UK, he bought a load from me that day!

Opinions if you have used it please...

***PScarb*** · 09-07-2006, 09:47 AM

i have used it when i was last in the states and yes i felt a diffrence on it but definatly nothing like AAS....but to be honest for what i got from it and the price it cost's i don't think it is worth to use it..

**LeeB** · 09-07-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Quadzilla

Hi guys just thought i'd start a conversation if anyone hasn't yet about GAKIC.

What are everyones opinions on it?

One of my staff had a big monster from Cananda come into the shop the other day and swear by the stuff, the guy has been using this in the states for some time and had said that it was so effective he had stopped using AAS and now used Gakic instead, he was so pleased to see it being sold in the UK, he bought a load from me that day!

Opinions if you have used it please...

lol... if this was the case it would be being prescribed to aids patients already!!

personally i think its a gimmick... yes it will increase strength (for a limited peroid of time) will it build muscle??? NO not if your diet isnt up to scratch.. its also too expensive for the results you will get in my opinion. from what i know you also need MUCH more of a doseage than what is suggested on the product.. all the scientific tests were conducted at MUCH higher dosages!!!

razg · 09-07-2006, 04:30 PM

There's no way a proprietary peptide can come close to AAS. That said, there is some research to show that it is a solid supplement, but nothing more.

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Glycine-arginine-alpha-ketoisocaproic acid improves performance of repeated cycling sprints.

Buford BN, Koch AJ.

Health and Exercise Sciences, Truman State University, Kirksville, MO 63501, USA.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of glycine-arginine-alpha-ketoisocaproic acid (GAKIC) supplementation on repeated bouts of anaerobic cycling performance. METHODS: Ten men completed a randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled exercise protocol of two sessions separated by 7 d. Plasma lactate was analyzed in blood collected 45 min before exercise (REST) and 5 min postexercise (POST). Subjects consumed either 11.2-g GAKIC or placebo (PLC) during a 45-min period between the REST and exercise. Mean power, peak power, and fatigue values were assessed from five supramaximal, 10-s cycle ergometer sprints, separated by 1-min rest intervals. Data were analyzed using repeated measures ANCOVA. RESULTS: A significant treatment x time interaction (P = 0.039) was observed for the change in mean power output over the five sprints between the GAKIC and PLC treatments. Post hoc analyses revealed a greater retention of mean power (P = 0.038) between sprints 1 and 2 after GAKIC (-1 +/- 9 W) versus PLC treatment (-47 +/- 18 W). No other performance variables differed between PLC and GAKIC. POST lactate was increased (P < 0.001) above REST, but there was no difference between treatments (P = 0.936). CONCLUSION: These data support an ergogenic effect of GAKIC for attenuating the decline in mean power during repeated bouts of supramaximal exercise.

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High-intensity dynamic human muscle performance enhanced by a metabolic intervention.

Stevens BR, Godfrey MD, Kaminski TW, Braith RW.

Department of Physiology, College of Medicine, University of Florida, Gainesville 32610-0274, USA. stevens@phys.med.ufl.edu

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study was to quantify the effects of a metabolic treatment on human muscle dynamic performance (strength, work, and fatigue) measured under conditions of acute, exhaustive high-intensity anaerobic isokinetic exercise. METHODS: Unilateral prefatigue and postfatigue peak torque and work values were measured in the quadriceps femoris of 13 subjects using a computer-controlled isokinetic dynamometer, over a 23-d interval. The two experimental treatments were: 1) a glycine and L-arginine salt of alpha-ketoisocaproic acid calcium ("GAKIC"); and 2) isocaloric sucrose (control). Based on a randomized double-blind cross-over repeated measures design, measurements were made before and during an exhaustive anaerobic fatigue protocol to calculate a Fatigue Resistance Index (FRI = [peri-exhaustion torque]\[baseline peak torque]), as well as total work. RESULTS: The FRI and total work for each of the exhaustion sets measured at 0, 5, and 15 min after oral GAKIC treatment were greater than values obtained for isocaloric control treatment (P < 0.02). GAKIC treatment increased the mean resistance to fatigue (FRI) up to 28% over isocaloric control. Overall gain in total muscle work attributable to GAKIC was 10.5 +/- 0.8% greater than control, sustained for at least 15 min. After 24 h, both GAKIC and control concentric forces returned to the same absolute values (P > 0.05): mean FRI = 0.42 +/- 0.05 and mean total work = 4600 +/- 280 J. There were no significant differences attributable to random order of testing. CONCLUSIONS: Compared with isocaloric carbohydrate, oral GAKIC treatment increased muscle torque and work sustained during intense acute anaerobic dynamic exercise; additionally, it increased overall muscle performance by delaying muscle fatigue during the early phases of anaerobic dynamic exercise.

Quadzilla · 11-07-2006, 06:15 AM

Hi I'll let you all know my opinions on it once i've competed, i am fortunate enough to run a fitness equipment/supplement shop, so if i were jo public i would grudge paying the price of gakic, but i get special prices if you know what i mean.

Don't want to try it just now cos it's really highg in carbs per serving (well while dieting anyway)

***Extreme*** · 12-07-2006, 09:42 AM

One of my staff is using it along with kre-alkalyn, he has managed to stick 10kg onto his incline bench which has been stagnant for 3 months.

He has also managed to do more reps on other exercises than he normally could.

Again like No-Xplode products I think they are good for training and for your own personal ego/satisfaction. Gakic is helping people add more weight or reps and NO products are giving people a better pump so they look great in the gym, but are they actually building any muscle tissue? I haven't seen anything to suggest or support their muscle building properties.

With regards to the Canadian who's switched to Gacik rather than steroids he must have been getting stitched up with the gear he was buying OR he's found a way of injecting the Gacik!

www.extremenutrition.co.uk

**LeeB** · 12-07-2006, 09:51 AM

as extreme says... if the gakic is making you lift more/longer therefore creating more stress on the muscle tissue then if your diet and recovery are right in essence it will help you grow more.

however there are plenty of other ways of putting extra stress on muscle tissue through training principles and intensity... which dont require spending £40 on a supplement..

in my opinion, ok it adds some extra weight on your bench press... BUT what then?? does it progressively add more and more weight on to it? probably not...

i know my own personal goals are different from most people who are in the gym.. many do simply just want to train to be stronger and be able to lift more in general.. for me every session im focussed on building muscle tissue and altering my physique so gakic i dont really think is for me...

..but it is effective at increasing strength after taking it. so for some people it will be a good supplement - but i doubt it will ever be the miracle solution muscletech have marketed it as!

09-07-2006, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
Quadzilla Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 44 Rep Power:	What is evryones opinion on GAKIC? Hi guys just thought i'd start a conversation if anyone hasn't yet about GAKIC. What are everyones opinions on it? One of my staff had a big monster from Cananda come into the shop the other day and swear by the stuff, the guy has been using this in the states for some time and had said that it was so effective he had stopped using AAS and now used Gakic instead, he was so pleased to see it being sold in the UK, he bought a load from me that day! Opinions if you have used it please...

09-07-2006, 09:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
*PScarb* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,014 Rep Power:	i have used it when i was last in the states and yes i felt a diffrence on it but definatly nothing like AAS....but to be honest for what i got from it and the price it cost's i don't think it is worth to use it.. ______________________ www.omegalabs.co.uk http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/at...ough/index.php

12-07-2006, 09:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
*Extreme* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,334 Rep Power:	One of my staff is using it along with kre-alkalyn, he has managed to stick 10kg onto his incline bench which has been stagnant for 3 months. He has also managed to do more reps on other exercises than he normally could. Again like No-Xplode products I think they are good for training and for your own personal ego/satisfaction. Gakic is helping people add more weight or reps and NO products are giving people a better pump so they look great in the gym, but are they actually building any muscle tissue? I haven't seen anything to suggest or support their muscle building properties. With regards to the Canadian who's switched to Gacik rather than steroids he must have been getting stitched up with the gear he was buying OR he's found a way of injecting the Gacik! www.extremenutrition.co.uk ______________________ www.extremenutrition.co.uk - 25% OFF FOR ALL MC MEMBERS, discount code MCD25. www.betterbodies.uk.com Seriously cheap sports nutrition! DYNALYNE, the strongest fat burner ever, ONLY £24.95!

12-07-2006, 09:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
LeeB Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,940 Rep Power:	as extreme says... if the gakic is making you lift more/longer therefore creating more stress on the muscle tissue then if your diet and recovery are right in essence it will help you grow more. however there are plenty of other ways of putting extra stress on muscle tissue through training principles and intensity... which dont require spending £40 on a supplement.. in my opinion, ok it adds some extra weight on your bench press... BUT what then?? does it progressively add more and more weight on to it? probably not... i know my own personal goals are different from most people who are in the gym.. many do simply just want to train to be stronger and be able to lift more in general.. for me every session im focussed on building muscle tissue and altering my physique so gakic i dont really think is for me... ..but it is effective at increasing strength after taking it. so for some people it will be a good supplement - but i doubt it will ever be the miracle solution muscletech have marketed it as! ______________________ If your not a part of the greatest... you got to be the greatest yourself! For the best supplements: www.extremenutrition.co.uk

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11-07-2006, 06:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
Quadzilla Under Construction Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 44 Rep Power:	Hi I'll let you all know my opinions on it once i've competed, i am fortunate enough to run a fitness equipment/supplement shop, so if i were jo public i would grudge paying the price of gakic, but i get special prices if you know what i mean. Don't want to try it just now cos it's really highg in carbs per serving (well while dieting anyway)