Cut or Bulk

misfit · 14-04-2008, 08:16 AM

Does it make any difference, whether you cut to get lean first then bulk to put muscle on, Or vice versa ???

wogihao · 14-04-2008, 08:19 AM

Depends on your starting bf% if your a bloater it will be harder to keep your intrest in training because you cant see your progress under a sleeping bag of fat.

If your fat, loose the excess then bulk. thats what I would do. If your skinny then bulk.

misfit · 14-04-2008, 08:30 AM

Thanx for that.

Pikey · 14-04-2008, 12:05 PM

Hi Misfit,

A good question to which the answer will depend on your current condition.

Two things were said to me that have stuck with me from my early days of bodybuilding, “You don’t know what muscle you’ve got until you’re in contest shape” and “You can’t flex fat”

Now in hind site I probably wasn’t ready to compete the first time I did but it was invaluable to see what I looked liked properly lean, as weak points are much more visible when in condition.

So if you’re already lean then the first course of action may be to start building as much as possible AKA bulking, If you’re not then in my opinion you need to get something like lean to know what you’re working with, this might not be contest shape but something reasonably close.

Cheers

Pikey

misfit · 14-04-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pikey

Hi Misfit,

A good question to which the answer will depend on your current condition.

Two things were said to me that have stuck with me from my early days of bodybuilding, “You don’t know what muscle you’ve got until you’re in contest shape” and “You can’t flex fat”

Now in hind site I probably wasn’t ready to compete the first time I did but it was invaluable to see what I looked liked properly lean, as weak points are much more visible when in condition.

So if you’re already lean then the first course of action may be to start building as much as possible AKA bulking, If you’re not then in my opinion

you need to get something like lean to know what you’re working with, this might not be contest shape but something reasonably close.

Cheers

Pikey

Thanx for that, im not a "bloater" or "fatty". Not too sure what my current bodyfat is but might see if i can get it checked at the gym some time this week. Last time i had it done was around 23%.

What would be an ideal bodyfat % be to get down to. (currently 5ft 11 weighing in at 156lbs )

Pikey · 14-04-2008, 01:06 PM

Sorry I don't really know as % bodyfat would depend on the class you are entering eg NABBA toned figure seems to be a higher bodyfat % than trained figure and the UKBFF classes will be different again.

A few of the shows I've competed in the judges have lined the female competitors up on stage and told them which class they are in based on their overal look, which seems really confusing to me but I suppose if you're clear on the criteria of the class you'd know what you were aiming for...

One of the female competitors would be able to tell you an approx percentage dependant on class and give you advise on what look you should be trying to achieve for whichever class...

**Tall** · 14-04-2008, 01:10 PM

Rachel "Betty Boo" might be able to help you if she is around

misfit · 14-04-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pikey

Sorry I don't really know as % bodyfat would depend on the class you are entering eg NABBA toned figure seems to be a higher bodyfat % than trained figure and the UKBFF classes will be different again.

A few of the shows I've competed in the judges have lined the female competitors up on stage and told them which class they are in based on their overal look, which seems really confusing to me but I suppose if you're clear on the criteria of the class you'd know what you were aiming for...

One of the female competitors would be able to tell you an approx percentage dependant on class and give you advise on what look you should be trying to achieve for whichever class...

Cheers for that. Think i will just aim for getting my bodyfat percentage down to around 10-15% as a baseline then. And then go from there as once lean the idea will then be to put more muscle on. So pre-comp will be able to cut down to what i need to i guess.
Does that make sense or am i talking outta my backside.

Rianabol · 14-04-2008, 03:24 PM

Hi Misfit

Ifind that a few months of dieting then 2 months of bulking enables a good push for muscle growth, the rebound after a show is a great example, Another route may be a progressive carb cycling regime having low medium and high days in alternation hence allowing muscular growth with minimal fat, depending off course carb sources are "clean".

just my 2 cents

R

misfit · 14-04-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rianabol

Hi Misfit

Ifind that a few months of dieting then 2 months of bulking enables a good push for muscle growth, the rebound after a show is a great example, Another route may be a progressive carb cycling regime having low medium and high days in alternation hence allowing muscular growth with minimal fat, depending off course carb sources are "clean".

just my 2 cents

R

Funny you should say that currently following a carb timing plan. where have 1 or 2 carb days. Only been doing for a few weeks but is working wonders. Just wasnt too sure how far to go with the fat loss really, but the x2 mnths time scale sounds like a good idea.

14-04-2008, 08:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
misfit Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14 Rep Power:	Cut or Bulk Does it make any difference, whether you cut to get lean first then bulk to put muscle on, Or vice versa ???

14-04-2008, 08:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
wogihao Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 191 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Depends on your starting bf% if your a bloater it will be harder to keep your intrest in training because you cant see your progress under a sleeping bag of fat. If your fat, loose the excess then bulk. thats what I would do. If your skinny then bulk.

14-04-2008, 08:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
misfit Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Thanx for that.

14-04-2008, 12:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pikey Making Progress Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Near Chesterfield Posts: 588 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Hi Misfit, A good question to which the answer will depend on your current condition. Two things were said to me that have stuck with me from my early days of bodybuilding, “You don’t know what muscle you’ve got until you’re in contest shape” and “You can’t flex fat” Now in hind site I probably wasn’t ready to compete the first time I did but it was invaluable to see what I looked liked properly lean, as weak points are much more visible when in condition. So if you’re already lean then the first course of action may be to start building as much as possible AKA bulking, If you’re not then in my opinion you need to get something like lean to know what you’re working with, this might not be contest shape but something reasonably close. Cheers Pikey ______________________ Better a Lion for a single day than a Mouse for a thousand years.

14-04-2008, 01:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Pikey Making Progress Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Near Chesterfield Posts: 588 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Sorry I don't really know as % bodyfat would depend on the class you are entering eg NABBA toned figure seems to be a higher bodyfat % than trained figure and the UKBFF classes will be different again. A few of the shows I've competed in the judges have lined the female competitors up on stage and told them which class they are in based on their overal look, which seems really confusing to me but I suppose if you're clear on the criteria of the class you'd know what you were aiming for... One of the female competitors would be able to tell you an approx percentage dependant on class and give you advise on what look you should be trying to achieve for whichever class... ______________________ Better a Lion for a single day than a Mouse for a thousand years.

14-04-2008, 01:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tall Moderator Musclechat Icon Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The White House. But I'm moving soon. Posts: 2,445 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Rachel "Betty Boo" might be able to help you if she is around

14-04-2008, 03:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rianabol Making Progress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Falkirk Posts: 367 Rep Power:	Re: Cut or Bulk Hi Misfit Ifind that a few months of dieting then 2 months of bulking enables a good push for muscle growth, the rebound after a show is a great example, Another route may be a progressive carb cycling regime having low medium and high days in alternation hence allowing muscular growth with minimal fat, depending off course carb sources are "clean". just my 2 cents R ______________________ Placing 2nd is like placing last, Juice to win!!!

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